that was the best episode of the season so far. love me some lord commander snow. and once you understand why they made the changes, it makes the show very enjoyable. you guys need to calm down or just quit the show if you're going to get all pissy about every episode.
I'll be quoting myself again in the future when Sansa murders(directly or indirectly) Ramsey and/or Roose. It's going to happen. Also totally clear why Littlefinger does this. He plants the seed, she eliminates the Boltons and rallies the North, he swoops back in and marries her(under the guise that he brought her along, helped her seek justice, etc) and Littlefinger takes the North without an army. He's such an awesomely evil character.
nah, you put in the proper line then show the fucking block being put down as they actually fucking did in the show and everything makes perfect sense. face it. they're just being fucking cunts and fucking with people at this point. there is no way that this change is logically defensible.
This is dumb. Like, really, really dumb. I get why they made the Sansa change. It's just terrible fucking writing. Classic mistake showrunners make is writing a story to serve a character rather than writing something that makes sense for the character. Littlefinger giving Sansa away is literally the opposite of anything that character would ever do. He gains nothing, he loses his most valuable piece, and he puts himself in the crosshairs directly for it. He's gone to incredible lengths to never put his finger in the eye of those with real power. This is a giant middle finger to Cersei and the Lannisters. And it puts him on the radar. Also, him not knowing about Ramsey makes him look stupid and weak, because everyone knew about that psycho. The Sansa part is not all that bad it just makes no goddamn sense for Littlefinger, show or book, and they wrote it horribly. F- Bringing in Jaqen to play the role of the kindly is a change that makes sense and changes no one's character in terms of actions/motivations. Having Varys get Tyrone to Volantis makes sense for them and saves them a lot of other stuff. Tommen nailing Margaery is like a million times better. Littlefinger doing this is idiotic and terribly written.
These guys are making a television show for 20 million viewers, they don't give a fuck about a bunch of dudes on a message board. "Hey, we need to fly Kit Harrington in for a re-shoot. I don't think this episode will piss off enough bookfags huehue"
Exactly, and they are also making their own story... Sure, they can copy the books word for word, but it almost takes away from the show when you do that... For the most part, they've done a tremendous job of adding to the universe that Martin started... Getting upset over lines and whatnot is silly, IMO. Not having Jaime in an episode is god damn infuriating, though.
everyone here knew what they were getting into anyway. Paulie Walnuts said it best: "Don't get cunty"
In this thread book fags know what's out of character for certain characters better than the people that actually know what happens in the books.
Reading these threads makes me happy I haven't caught up in the books yet. Instead I get to just enjoy the show and then the extra details in the books I read after just make the whole thing better. Team Showfag 4 life
man there is really nothing worse than people telling other people they can't have opinions on a message board.
No one is saying you can't have an option. However people can also respond that they think it's dumb to suggest one of us may know a character better than people that actually know a characters complete arc. No one really knows what littlefinger would or would not do.
So, the fetch me a block is a powerful line because they are going to hang Slynt first, and Jon stops them, readers get the impression he's going to pardon him, only for him to call for the block. It's a much better scene in the book. But in the show, setting up a gallows and playing out the scene from the book takes more time and only adds a marginal improvement in story quality. For TV the scene worked perfectly without the fucking fetch me a block quote.
It makes no damn sense for Littlefinger to give Sansa up, it just doesn't. He does everything behind the scenes and plans out every move incredibly meticulously then just gives up his biggest piece and makes himself a traitor cause yolo.
Nah, no matter what happens that was a poorly written storyline for Littlefinger. If they correct it later, will still have been terrible
Strange they released the Harry the Heri chapter right before the show came out, and that's not even in the show at all. I guess it was a way for book readers to remember they're 2 completely different entities now.
Littlefinger doesn't know anything about Ramsey even though he's going around skinning heads of houses and hunting chicks for fun. His prize plan will not work after Sansa is raped and killed. Maybe Littlefinger is just slipping in his game. It would be great if Sansa kills the boltons and retakes the north but this is game of thrones she's gonna get raped, tortured and have to be saved. You can't have a season without hurting a stark.
Did really enjoy Jon finishing his drink before going to handle business. Bad ass scene I loved it. I'm really Into the wall storyline.
It's episode three and we're already getting the "HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THE SHOW" crowd going. It's gonna be a rough season.
should we all just sit around and have a circle jerk about how great the show is? obviously flaws are going to be the easiest thing to point out. and comparing it to the books in only natural in the fucking book thread.
Littlefinger knows exactly how Ramsey is. I don't think that there's not much that goes on in Westeros that he doesn't know about. He is trying to get in bed with the North now as well. I think they go with the whole Sansa gets brutally fucked and it's what snaps Theon back out of Reek and they escape together and she's just going to end up wherever she ends up in the books, minus her maidenhead. For all we know this is all spoiler shit and they go to Winterfell in the books as well after Stannis takes it.
Didn't Theon in the books talk about thinking Eddard might marry Sansa off to him? Can't remember, maybe it was someone else
Damn imagine how people are gonna freak out if they actually do the scene where theon gets her ready.
Oh that scene is going to happen. There's too much rustle potential for the show to not do it. Ramsey gonna make him go down there too. That's some grade A rustle material.
Something is going to have to happen at winterfell to get Jon all riled up to head there and then 'smoke'
I don't think he plans on actually giving her up. Littlefinger is always a step ahead. Hopefully, he wants Sansa to take them out or help him do it. Then Sansa rules the North and he tries to marry her or use her as a puppet. Not sure where Stannis will come into all of this.
Even so, it's still going to be known that LF had Sansa. That alone is enough for him to be named a traitor with a giant bounty. It's just horrible, horrible writing on the show's part.
I don't think LF gives a shit. The Lannisters have no real power anymore with Tywin dead. I think he wants to unite the North and tell Kings Landing to fuck off with him leading everything. I'm not sure the Boltons or the North in general have any allegiance to Kings Landing so even when the news makes its way south I'm not sure the Lannisters are in any position to do anything about it.
By the time everyone really finds out, he will have returned to the Vale, which is an impenetrable fortress with an army that didn't participate in the war... And, he will have, in theory, protected himself in the north with Sansa's marriage... Hopefully, it all backfires on his overacting cunt ass and Stannis comes down and destroys Winterfell and the Vale.
yea but he will be in the Vale where all the Lords loved Ned Stark and he just gave Ned Stark's daughter to the family that murdered his son.
Yeah, and I have no idea why Cersei wouldn't put a bounty on his and Sansa's heads just like he did with Tyrion. That makes shit dangerous wherever you are.
The whole Sansa story no longer makes any sense, why would LF give her to the Boltons at all......... does not jive at all
It really doesn't. Even if/when Cersei gets locked up at the Sept, it's not like any of the Lannister cousins or Kevan would let that shit lie. It's a slap in the face, they'd have to react or they'd become a complete joke instantaneously.
If I had to guess, he's placing her there for an opportunity to kill the Bolton's off. Then he will still have the Vale and be be able to lead the rest of the North through Sansa I can see this happening, and then Stannis makes his move as the next nothern plotline
speaking of the Sansa storyline, at the point where they showed her walking through the courtyard at Winterfell the camera lingered on 2-3 women giving hard looks. I wonder if those are "Abel's Wives" that take part in sabotaging things at Winterfell and helping with the escape even if there isn't an Abel.
I thought the one girl that got the focus was Ramsey's girlfriend or whatever. The girl that was helping Ramsey hunt other girls.
Yes but it still does not make sense why they chose to go that route, Stannis already said to Jon that he plans on taking the north back from the boltons so would it not just be easier to go with that story line.
Lannisters are broke, Kevan won't be in KL that long...wonder if Varys gets back in KL in time to murk him