Didn't LF say something about uniting the Vale and the North and the last time that happened it destroyed the greatest dynasty of Westeros. Don't think he is worried about the Lannisters right now.
Me thinks Sansa & the old lady attendant of hers plays the role of Lord Manderly killing Freys & Boltons throughout Winterfell. Also, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU LOOK AT THAT JON SNOW CHAPTER & BEHEADING AND GO "hmmm although this was basically written as a perfect 'for screen' scene, let's change it to be much less dramatic & awesome. Who needs George's already awesome writing anyways. Let's change it just because."???!?!? That is the straw that broke my back. I have zero faith left in them adapting these books into something I can watch w high standards. The show is the show and the books are the books and they are so much different when they didn't need to be - and I'll never understand. D&D are changing things for the worse for no apparent reason. Can't wait to see the disaster that is the mediocre sand snakes. *also, I'm an idiot.**
Who's going to do anything about it? At this point LF has the only army (other than Dorne's) that is intact and in a place that is easily defensible. The Riverlands won't care (or at least wouldn't fight). I doubt Kevan Lannister would start a war over it, and who else is there? The real issue is that he doesn't seem to really have anything over the Boltons. There was no exchange so if he needs them he just has to hope they'll be loyal? Seems silly. He has to have some other game being played as having the Boltons removed and with Sansa still there as the Lord/whatever of Winterfell would be the best move.
did we? We saw Moat Cailin but if we saw Greywater Watch then I wasn't paying as close attention as I thought
Book Sansa is wanted for Regicide. Show Sansa disappeared and very few fucks seem to have been given about her other than, "we need to find her and bring her back for questioning", but in the show 100% of the blame has been repeatedly given to Tyrion, ad nauseum. LF/Roose scene this week attempted to set the scene: Show LF isn't concerned about the Lannisters as they have no friends, have never marched North, and the Vale + The North could be strong enough to overthrow them as strongest house. Roose's deal was with Tywin, and now the Lannisters are undoubtedly weaker IN THE SHOW. LF is trying to align with Roose and by bringing Sansa there is trying to unite the North behind her and ultimately himself (also they'd probably have the Freys since Tywin is dead and the Lannisters are weak, but who the fuck wants the Freys?) Is it as good as what GRRM wrote? Fuck no. It is what they have planned to shorten 2 books (actually 3 including book 6) into 1 season and make it work with production scheduling, set design, casting and time limitations. Tl;dr it is different and not as good as the books, but it works by cheapening LF's genious/scheming/influence
The change I don't like, even as it pertains to the show's telling of the story, is axing Jaime's dealings in the Riverlands... The show has made it abundantly clear that the death of Tywin is an enormous blow to the Lannisters, one which they probably cannot recover from as Cersei is a cunt and the Queen is an idiot/losing power as well. In the book, Jaime seems to be stepping into the role his father vacated... It's my favorite story in Books 4 and 5, but to have it pretty much cut out entirely not only ruins the book a bit, but causes us to miss out on one of the better character arcs in the series... :( Unless they just replace the Riverlands with the Mexicans down south, but I don't think that's going to be the case... Jaime and one other dude heading down there isn't nearly the same as the host he rode out with to the Riverlands.
I'm betting we still see a decent amount of that character development. One of the things we've seen from this show is that they have to keep the cast of characters somewhat limited - both for budgetary reasons and in order to make sure the audience can keep everyone straight. At the same time, in order to do any sort of character development, they can't have characters be alone for too long. They need someone to spill their guts to since you can't see what's going on in their head. Would be willing to bet there's a Jamie to Bronn soliloquy in the next two episodes like the one Brienne just gave Pod. Sure, it's not a whole book worth of explaining situations and motivations, but it's the best we can do for the reasons mentioned above.
I really feel like a lot of people are not appreciating how impressive this adaptation has been. There are so many things that go into a television show that don't go into a book that make a project like this so incredibly difficult to pull off, there are going to be hiccups. I don't know how many are in this boat, but I watched the first three seasons, and then read all the books. If you had read the books before you started watching the show, I can understand why this all would so incredibly frustrating. But in order to hook in a mass viewing audience, sacrifices have to be made. As other posters have mentioned before, "Edd, fetch me a block" was cut because no showfag knows what "fetch me a block" is and I can promise you they sure as fuck don't know who Edd is. Yes, that scene felt rushed and dumbed down because it was rushed and dumbed down. But that's not because D&B are idiots or bad writers, it's because the medium forces them to dumb it down because 200 pages of Jon's story need to fit into 15 minutes of screen time, among other limitations.
I don't doubt that they will use Bronn to reveal the good in Jaime and what he is capable of doing in his father's absence; however, on a more grand scale: They essentially took the army (or whatever you want to call it) that Jaime was traveling around with away from him... What Jaime does in Books 4 and 5 really can't be underestimated... He essentially brings peace and order to a region as important as any in Westeros. He steps into the role vacated by his father while acting more like his brother than his rather ruthless father. IMO, and we all know I'm gay for Jaime, it's the best series of chapters for an individual throughout the entire series. It remains to be seen what they do with Bronn and Jaime, but in all likelihood, whatever he does down there will be much less important than what he does in the books. Other than I think messing up Jaime AND Tyrion in some ways, I don't have many complaints with the show... If you read the show thread, people are already becoming bored with this season... The fact of the matter is that large portions of IV and V are uninteresting and almost beyond the scope of the story being told. They have to cut and they have to find a way to maintain their audience with much less action and drama presented in these two books.
I disagree. Everyone would have known what was meant when he plopped the block down and put his head on it. It would have been amazing. Those 55 seconds should have been appropriated there rather than a million other places they've wasted them this season. It didn't even need to be Edd. It could have been Patchface for all I care. The whole scene oozes badassness how it's written by GRRM: Slynt thinking he's getting off & Jon looking like a pussy for a split mili-second... Then cue the music and have him say "___, fetch me a block." CRANK THE MUSIC. Show Slynt pissing himself and Jon unsheathing Longclaw. The reason you gave defending the writers may work for other complaints, but certainly not this one.
I don't really see why it's a big deal honestly... Book fags have talked about that moment like it was the most important thing to get right this season... I mean, good lord. That old bitch dropping "The North Remembers" was awesome, though.
Isn't "fetch me a block" so powerful bc it goes back to Ned? Ned tells/teaches his sons in the first chapter about those who sentence should swing the sword. Honestly, I think they did a pretty good job with it. I dont know how people can say the Sansa/LF storyline is bad writing because we have no clue how its going to end. If I know anything about LF from 5 books and 5 seasons, he ALWAYS knows exactly what he's doing.
i kinda like how they showed jon struggling with it for a bit, like as if he was having that "kill the boy" moment in his head.
maybe not the one where the north wants to raise jon snow as their new king in the north, but i took it as a hint that the northeners aren't completely bending to the bolton's will.
I think LF's play is to either get Sansa so abused by Ramsey that she kills him and the North rallies to her or they find out about the brutal things Ramsey does to Sansa and the other Northern houses rally to her. Either way, Roose said they don't have the men to defend against the other houses so LF wins in any way it plays out because Sansa will defend it as her "choice". If it doesn't go down like that he is still sitting good with the Boltons.
I don't think he can believe that she will kill/overthrow them and then come crawling back... she's going to look at him as the guy that sent her away to have her holes used by that murderin psychopath.
Depending on how quickly they move with Jaime in Dorne, I just don't see them really delving into Jaime's ascension to Goldenhand the Just. What is Jaime going to do in Dorne that would restore his honor? He's being Cersei's little errand boy and possibly committing an act of war which is the exact opposite of his Riverlands arc. Really rustles my jimmies.
because Littlefinger and Stannis aren't texting each other battle plans? What Stannis plans to do is at best a guess from Littlefinger.
Agreed, I said this pages back. LF doesn't have an army so he's taking the North with the only weapon he has, which is Sansa. it won't matter if the lords of the Vale get mad at him for giving Sansa away if this works(and it almost certainly will since they're not letting Ramsey murder Sansa). Stannis is going to head for Winterfell this season and probably take Roose's head. Sansa and/or Theon and/or Brienne will kill Ramsey and Sansa will head to Winterfell where Stannis puts the last remaining Stark back into power and then rides off south for bigger and better things thinking he has the North. LF will sneak in shortly after and try to either wed or somehow take power from Sansa and we'll see what happens after when he's Warden of the North.
1) I guess you missed the part where he talks about Cersei's and the Lannisters power fading with each passing day. 2) Just because Littlefinger was acting like he didn't know about Ramsey does not at all mean that is the case. If you think Littlefinger always plays things straight, then you really haven't been paying attention now have you?
I definitely did not miss it, it just felt like a hand wave. Even if he's right about that, having the crown as an open enemy is idiotic and something he's spent years and years crafting plans to avoid. His whole thing is operating on the sly and out of way. This doesn't even give him anything because it's not like the Bolton's are dude, littlefinger, we've got your back because you sold your old wet dream's daughter to us. They aren't loyal to anyone. It's just the exact opposite of anything that character has done and worked for. That's bad writing to me.
No we should all just have a circle jerk to all of the same old tired comments by people that like to nit-pick minor details. I mean that is what you all do anyway. One of you makes a comment such as "I can't believe they didn't have the Edd fetch me a block line", and then the rest of you read it, rub one out, and then comment about how much you agree.
what the fuck does this even mean? are you suggesting nothing is even worth discussing since we have no power to actually change anything?
No I am suggesting as others have already said in this thread that Littlefinger feels in no way threatened by "Lannister" power at this point. He pretty much stated exactly that during the show and in addition to that Roose pointed out to Ramsay that they should not be expecting any help from the Lannister. In short I am suggesting that you apparently need to pay more attention to what is actually going on in the show than the next point of minutia that you are going to bitch about.
and what about worrying about the Vale turning on him for giving Ned Stark's daughter to the murderer of Ned Stark's oldest son and the guy that burned down Winterfell? please don't act like this storyline makes sense.
I'm not so sure he does know about Ramsay on the show, which if the case would be shit writing knowing Littlefinger's character. I think Theon will be the one to spill the beans about how psychotic Ramsay is to Sansa and/or Littlefinger to try and earn some kind of redemption. The scenes with Theon looking at the flayed bodies and staying to eavesdrop on Ramsay and Roose make me think he will be making his turn on the show fairly soon.
As I said in the leaked thread after watching this episode, she is going to take Mance's place from the books. I believe Mance is truly dead.
I like the idea of skipping the glamour and having Littlefinger and/or the Northerners plant the resistance in Winterfell.
I will be super pissed if they show the battle for Winterfell before the book gets to it. Odds are they'll leave the season finale with Stannis outside the gates or something.
I read until I saw, "based on the leaked episodes". Is this speculation or info based on leaked episode 4 plus Alfie Allen?
It's veiled spoilers. Doesn't actually say what it is but I'm pretty sure we can all guess what's going to go down.