Official Investing Thread

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Joe Louis, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. Jake Barnes

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    Set up buy orders for Disney at $85 and Apple at $95. Too low?
     
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  2. Gallant Knight

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    Not sure what % of Disney is made up of $ that ESPN generates, but would be scared with all this a la carte cable talk bullshit.

    For aapl buy baby buy
     
  3. Jake Barnes

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    The cord-cutting stuff seems a little overdone with Disney. They've got a lot more stuff going on outside of that and ESPN's numbers will probably get a huge boost with football season coming up.

    Definitely agree on Apple.
     
  4. je ne suis pas ici

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    woooo variable rates eurrrwhere
     
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  5. tradercane

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    Many of you guys have probably never closely watched a bear market so I would say to be careful. Don't just assume that the market is going to bounce back quickly.

    My best guess is an early week selloff followed by a big bounce back which will then be followed by another selloff. We have been in a bull market for several years so we are due for a big correction at the very least.

    There should be some good buys for long term holders but there will be plenty of pain involved as well.
     
  6. DollarBillHokie

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    How do you make an argument that China is a small problem? Look at the commodities markets over the past several months and you can see what a lack of Chinese demand can do.
     
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  7. Jake Barnes

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    I guess I wouldn't say they're a small problem, but I think the effects have been exaggerated. Apple, for example, shouldn't have dropped 20% because China's growth is a little slower than before.
     
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  8. I'll Give You Asthma

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    The effects of China may be exaggerated, but the market is definitely not priced in for the impact raising the rates can have right now. The underlying economic environment right now is not very good, and it hasn't really improved in any way over the last few years. Unemployment rate is the only thing that really looks any good right now (other than that ludicrous bull run we just had), and the more you actually look into it the more you find that it doesn't really paint the full picture. There's no going lower with the rates, and there's no more purpose for easing (the Fed knows people aren't going to let them throw money at the problem again, because it didn't work the last 3 times).

    This isn't me saying the top was already in, but -3% in one day does not look good right now.
     
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  9. Jake Barnes

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    Wouldn't be surprised to see the indexes drop another 4-5% next week before we see a few green days.
     
  10. Baseballman86

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    The original reasons for buying SDRL still apply, and it's still not for everyone. It could go to zero, that's a real risk, but it could also double, triple or more. It's a high risk, high reward stock just like it was in May. If you buy into a stock like that with money you need back or with a short term view then you're asking for it.

    I'm still in on it FWIW, but my timeframe is multiple years, not months.
     
  11. tmbrules

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    SnP futures were -60 overnight. Hop on the roller coaster .....
     
  12. littletonbuff

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    Well, it's looking like we'll be half way there at the open. All US index futures down over at least 2% (NDX futs -4%), oil down over 3% and below $40 bbl, gold down around .50% with silver down over 2.50%, the yield on 10 yr treasury note making a bug move as its down over 2%, but on the bright side, at least we are not China (Shanghai Comp down almost 10% overnight).
     
  13. Jake Barnes

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    Wouldn't be surprised to see an intraday dead cat bounce that props the indexes at something like a 1% loss before we fall back again.
     
  14. littletonbuff

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    One thing people need to remember - it's not like the Fed is going to be hiking rates back to where they were in the Reagan era (up over 10%) over the next couple of years. So if it seems like the market isn't pricing in much of a hike, it is because they anticipate the Fed taking their sweet time with very gradual increases in rates.

    Not that I try to find things to attribute moves to (you can be 110% correct about fundamentals/the why and still end up being wrong because of technicals/momentum), but I think this sell off has more to do with the global economy. That and possibly the debt markets, specifically as it relates to the energy sector - many firms are way over leveraged in this space and we are going to start seeing bigger and bigger issues (i.e. defaults) because if it.

    That said, this sell off is starting to remind me more and more of the one in Fall 2011. The SPX probably wasn't more than 2% off 52 wk highs towards the end of July and 2-3 weeks later was around 20% off those highs.
     
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  15. littletonbuff

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    Big gap down like this could also leave us primed for a reversal. Though now that bears have pushed equities below the trading ranges they were in, I tend to agree that there is probably more downside to come.
     
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  16. tradercane

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    This is going to be a wild ride guys.
     
  17. tradercane

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    The Chinese markets are down more than 8%.
     
  18. Jake Barnes

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    Any shorters making crazy bank from this disaster?
     
  19. tradercane

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    I took the SPY short overnight but whatever gains I have in that will be more than offset by my losses in my mutual funds.
     
  20. tmbrules

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    Had a great week last week ..... but taking a swift kick in the balls this morning.
     
  21. tradercane

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    Dow is going to open down 700 points.
     
  22. Llama

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  23. tmbrules

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    Futures are limit down. Circuit breakers have kicked in.
     
  24. je ne suis pas ici

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    holy fuck

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    and there aint shit the fed can do.

    ZEROHEDGE IS ALWAYS RIGHT

    #VariableRateSmug
     
  25. tmbrules

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    Down like 250k on the open:ohnoes:. Hoping to make some back during the day.
     
  26. je ne suis pas ici

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    wtf man

    keep that shit in under your bed

    and give me some.
     
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  27. Doug

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  28. Llama

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    Open it back up and let it burn you pussies
     
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  29. tradercane

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    The Dow is down over 1000 points.
     
  30. je ne suis pas ici

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  31. C A N E

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    Yay just lost 30%
     
  32. tradercane

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    Only down 820 now lol.
     
  33. Bo Pelinis

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    Fuck me running
     
  34. Jax Teller

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    So it's a good thing I have like 20 years until I need my 401k right?
     
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  35. je ne suis pas ici

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    why didnt yall SELL DAMNIT !
     
  36. je ne suis pas ici

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    this is what i told ms swim. she has like all of 5k in it. her employer just gave her a 2k match last month. DAMNIT WHY COULDNT YALL WAIT A MONTH SHIT
     
  37. beist

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    Be positive guys the dow is up like 500 points in the last 5 minutes
     
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  38. C A N E

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    I was actually going to pull out soon to throw the funds in my account towards a down payment on a house :(
     
  39. Beachy Toast

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  40. pennstate2012

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    Time for me to double down on some positions. Looks like things are stabilizing
     
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  41. tradercane

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    That was a fun first 15 minutes.
     
  42. je ne suis pas ici

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    please change thread title to "Official Investing Thread - Please keep your arms and legs inside the ride at all times #WEEE"
     
  43. Llama

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    Getting fiesty in China

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    The head of a Chinese exchange that trades minor metals was captured by angry investors in a dawn raid and turned over to Shanghai police, as the investors attempted to force the authorities to investigate why their funds have been frozen.
     
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  44. tradercane

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    I bought back my short in the SPY and kept buying as it went down. I had an average price on my buys at like 185 or so and sold it all at 190. Now I will just watch the rest of the day.
     
  45. OHW

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    RIP world
     
  46. Bo Pelinis

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    OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF
     
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  47. C A N E

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    Maybe I'll average down later :americanzi:
     
  48. allothersnsused

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    Learning a valuable lesson about putting down payment money for a house in stocks.
     
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  49. tradercane

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    I re shorted the spy at 189 and will get out if it hits 190 again.