Spoiler I didn't see any of the leaks. Based on the trailers, I expected this to be a game about Joel and Ellie... which was a lie. Abby was uninteresting to me. Owen was a creep. Supporting cast was meh. Jesse dies and no one cares. Sending a pregnant woman into combat is fucking cringe worthy writing. Druckmann took a shot but missed wildly on the story. Gameplay was good during combat, but after opening my 500th drawer I was over it. Visually, I couldn't take my eyes away. I feel like I finished the game just to SEE more, but not to experience more. It was exhausting. The single, best moment of the game was in the museum ("IM ON A MOTHERFUCKIN' DINOSAUR!") and that's pretty much it. Game was meh.
That’s far from it. I said everything. I have not enjoyed reading your disillusioned posts in support of Trump and I don’t enjoy your takes on this game. You sound like you approached this with the narrow mind you approach everything else with.
I was explaining to people the other night that I didn’t think the story was bad quality and I pointed to this as a example. When Joel first dies the game has spent a bit leading you to believe that Joel and Ellie’s relationship is strained so when he dies I felt like that took away some emotional punch. That made the first few hours REALLY tough for me. Then the museum scene retroactively added emotional weight to Joel dying and reinvigorated my motivation to get revenge. Since then I have nothing to light that fire back up and the gameplay loop itself has worn me down. I think in the end, if I ever finish it, my biggest problem with it wil be that it’s just too long
Almost wish they flipped some of it around. Maybe the game starts as Abby walking into the hospital to see her dad was killed, so maybe I could understand her pain from the very beginning. The constant flip flopping just made me lose interest. The whole backtracking part to the hospital was awful. Climb up this huge building, just to fall off of it and conveniently land in a pool made my eyes roll. Just poor effort from a developer that usually nails this stuff.
huurrr durrr Or maybe the game wasn't the one that fans thought they were getting? You know, based on trailers?
Weird how some people are defending this game so much. It's like you need other people's approval of it to feel warm and fuzzy. If you liked it... great! It wasn't a bad game. It's a technical achievement. Story didn't hold me like the first one. Respect my decision. No interviews.
Neil Druckmann: Ellie is the only playable character in the game. Weirdos: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STORY AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T LIKE IT
Yeah Druckmann totally should’ve revealed half the plot ahead of time. It’s a real bummer he didn’t tell us we’d play as Ellie in the first game’s marketing.
I'm not a huge fan of the character switching and fake stuff in the trailer, but I would liken them not revealing Abby to not telling us we would play as Ellie in the first one. I was happy for it, only thing I wonder is, would the game have been better for you if they had bounced back and forth between Ellie and Abby in Seattle (play both Day 1's, then both Day 2's, etc) instead of having to play this giant chunk of the game as her? That was one of the things I wondered as it took you away from Ellie's plotline for such a long time.
Yeah. While I was playing as Abby, I was literally just waiting to get back to the movie theater to see what happened to Ellie. I was gone from the characters I actually cared about way too long. I compare it to MGS2. Most people's complaints were playing as Raiden. We kept playing the game to see what Snake was doing. I think Konami did a better job at making the new characters more interesting than Naughty Dog did here.
I get people not clicking with Abby. I am a big fan of perspective in plots, so I really enjoy seeing what the other side was doing, that all worked for me. I didn't like Mel and how that ended, I actually liked Owen and Manny, Nora would have been a good character if she stuck around longer, and I liked how that ended, so I'm more positive on it than a lot, but I definitely get the big gap between Ellie segments being an issue for folks.
Hell, fighting Ellie just felt wrong. It was a cool sequence, but come on. I felt like they were trying to shove "Ellie BAD. Abby GOOD" down our throats. Hated Manny's character. A Latino guy who thinks he's suave with the ladies... a video game Eddie Guerrero from WWE. He was killed in .01 seconds and never referenced again.
I think my problem is the back story of those characters was shallow and not fleshed out so I just didn't care about them. Hell the Scar and WLF story was just they were both terrible groups.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. In TLOU1, the majority of the game until Joel gets impaled is Ellie and Joel, Joel and Ellie. The attachment to Ellie the player had was created through the scope of the relationship from Joel’s perspective. She’d been by Joel’s side for 85% of the game until she shot that rabbit in the snow. Joel could have reasonably been presumed dead until Ellie told the cannibals that she needed medicine and it zoomed in on her face. Contrast that with Abby. Killed Joel. You don’t have a relationship with her before Shitty AMC Show other than a short period of time where you played as her and got a hint of some sort of vendetta. Then you play as Ellie for 10+ hours. Then you play as Abby for 10+ hours. Then Ellie again. The comparison between Ellie in the first game and Abby in the second one, in regards to introduction as playable characters, is wholly unjustified and not very comparable. ND could have applied some context to Abby before her debut, but they decided not to. Which is their choice
Everyone here is giving their opinions on it. Just because he disagrees and is explaining why doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be allowed to voice his opinions on something as innocuous as a video game.
Other people have been able to express their negative opinions (in a much more articulate and well-thought out manner) about the game without being an antagonizing douchebag. But that’s kind of his MO on this website. And I think you know that about him. Which makes me wonder why you are coming to his defense?
This was his initial post. He basically says this: “The advertising of the game didn’t seem to line up with the gameplay for me. The new character Abby didn’t grab me as interesting, and neither did any of the supporting cast. Case in point when Jesse dies and not much is said about it.” Then he actually says the gameplay was good, though looting was annoying. He says it was visually a great game. He was even able to power through a game that he didn’t like all that well to see if maybe there were things that he could like more about it. Yet, he was disappointed. He was hopeful, yet let down. That was his experience, and he explained that well enough in his post. Yet, none of that was really antagonizing. The first response to his post? This. Was cane really antagonizing here, or was he just giving his thoughts on the video game he played with characters from the first game he was emotionally invested in?
Also, if you’re attempting to make an allusion to me having similar views as him or something of that sort, then make it. Aside from a few people, my knowledge of people on TMB is high level. Whatever his MO is on this website, he didn’t bring much, if any, of that into this thread. As far as I’m concerned, he shouldn’t be ostracized from something like giving his opinion on a video game, which is tantamount to what happened on this page.
Honestly, the whole abby scenario was so blah I don't even remember. You go there to get medicine for one of the characters. You go into the creepy basement (you were there earlier as Ellie for a brief second).
TrustyPatches i thought i was the only person who found rdr2 to be pretty boring. played maybe 5 hours but never loaded it back up.
except thats not how it ended because: 1. vaccines for fungal diseases dont exist. 2. they probably cant create the first ever fungal vaccine 20 years after a zombie outbreak 3. even if by some miracle they did, they absolutely couldnt mass produce it
yes, very fair point, but they designed their zombies to be the result of a mutation of a real thing in a "our zombies are more realistic than your zombies" kind of way.
All this may be true, but for the purposes of Part 2, they explicitly show/say that the vaccine was going to work
Where did they show that it was going to work? Also the Fireflies were terrible people just like everyone else left. Just go read all the crap on the museum walls.
Spoiler One of the Abby flashbacks, conversation between her Dad and Marlene. Also, Druckmann confirmed it would have worked after the first game came out
I'd highly recommend not finishing it honestly, and that is the most disappointing ending I've seen since ME3.
I don't regret watching this over playing it. It was exhausting to watch I can't imagine playing it. Combat and visuals/sounds were amazing. Abby's character was boring, her friends outside of Owen were awful, and Dina as a companion replacement to Joel was laughable. Honestly the flashbacks of Joel and Ellie were a kick in the nuts on what it should have been.
I will agree that none of the new characters are particularly likeable. I don't think they were made to be likeable though just understandable. The ones that they made an effort to get you to like Owen Lev Jessie were all not bad imo but still missing something to get that emotional attachment. They also tried to get you to care about Dina but it was meh. The only reason I partially cared is through proxy because we care about Ellie and her relationships. Like I wouldn't particularly care for story focusing on Dina. Another thing is the deaths felt like they had more weight in the first game. Sarah Sam Henry Tess. Here when deaths happened it felt sudden quick and for shock value without much time for reflection given. I also think that this too was a concious decision to show how random and senseless violence is but I think took away from the audience's care for said characters. Like when Abby/Ellie react to certain characters deaths with such apathy it's like why should we care if the characters that are supposed to don't? Spoiler I'm referencing specifically the Manny/Jessie deaths. They both happen similarly and suddenly yet both Abby and Ellie just yell out their name and oh fuck and then pretend like it never happened. Its the type of reaction you would give to stubbing your toe and not of a close friend dying For all those reasons its not as good as the first game but I still think the overall narrative was a bold idea(much bolder than the first one) and not one that I've seen executed in a video game before.
I'm rambling here but just wanted to make another point in regards to this Spoiler I've seen people complain and say the revenge story shouldve had dina dying and ellie get revenge for her but the fact that we don't care about dina as much as joel means it wouldn't have worked. The whole idea is we are supposed to share that same visceral hatred and hurt for the people that did this to joel alongside ellie because we care for him just like she does. No other character dying as a catalyst for the revenge story would elicit that response from the player
I thought the same thing way back when we saw Dina and Ellie kiss, but you're right, it would have had to happen so early in the game, there's no way we could have known Dina enough to care and have her be the reason for the whole game. I've come to the conclusion that no one who hates it will ever change their mind, and that no matter what ND did, some segment would have hated it. Make up some reason for Joel and Ellie to trek around again, some people would have called it repetitive garbage. Kill off Ellie, people would have bitched about that. That's true of any game really, but multiplied by a million with this franchise. I must be fundamentally different than other people, because all the characters we spent time with at all meant something to me. Their deaths may not have had the same impact as a Joel or Ellie would have, but knowing that they meant something to the people I cared about made me hurt for them. I get that some people didn't like Abby, but being a father I understood and felt for her situation. Of course everything about Ellie and Joel's story broke my heart. So the story worked for me, really well, but I understand why it won't work for others. Some people can see it objectively, some can't, no one is wrong, some people just want to argue. Not saying that's what anyone here is doing, just the hellscape that is Twitter.