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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Joe Louis, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. Smuggy

    Smuggy Well-Known Member
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    Did something change this year with Backdoor Roths?
    My wife and I collectively contributed $13,000 to Traditional Roths and immediately converted it to Rothy IRAs. The CPA came back today saying that $13,000 is a taxable amount. I thought you only owed taxes on the earnings generated while your money was in the Traditional account, which was $0 for us.
     
  2. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    Get a new cpa
     
  3. IV

    IV Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
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    I don’t know how a serious argument could be made? Weren’t some of those stocks essentially squatting on domain names?
     
  4. shawnoc

    shawnoc My president is black, my logos are red...
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    That preceded all of the brand new COVID investors. A million new retail investors with way too much time on their hands to play the market who wondered whether investing was always that easy. That lasted for about six months.
     
  5. Tommy Jefferson

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    Your CPA should be able to easily explain why they’re saying that or what you may have done wrong. Assuming you have a typo in that you actually contributed to a traditional IRA, which was then converted, that’s all still fair game.

    Your CPA may be saying that IRA contribution isn’t deductible, but that’s different than having to pay taxes on a contribution. You may also have to deal with the Pro Rata Rule, but again the CPA should be able to explain this.
     
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  6. Jimmy the Saint

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    Get an explanation for why they are saying it's taxable.

    Based on what you're saying it should not be.
     
  7. jcb-r

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    You'd be surprised how many CPAs have absolutely zero idea what they're doing.
     
  8. kentucky_dawg

    kentucky_dawg Fan of: Georgia
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    Did you mean to say Traditional IRA here?
     
  9. kentucky_dawg

    kentucky_dawg Fan of: Georgia
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    Speaking of terrible CPAs, anyone have any strategies for finding good ones?
     
  10. Smuggy

    Smuggy Well-Known Member
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    Yes
     
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  11. NC Wolfpack

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    K1 question for any CPAs out there.

    I received a “draft” K1 which will be all I have prior to April 15th. The details show my ordinary (6a) and qualified dividends (6b) to be the exact same amount. However, I only received the listed amount once so I am concerned the report is double dipping the money earned into my return. Do 6a and 6b add up separately within the return?
     
  12. Jimmy the Saint

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    No. It’s just stating that the amount of the ordinary dividends that qualify as qualified dividends.
     
  13. The Hebrew Husker

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    I believe they can be the same amount. At least on personal returns.
     
  14. NC Wolfpack

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    Understanding this then, I should be taxed at the qualified dividend tax rate, not ordinary. Is that correct?
     
  15. Jimmy the Saint

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    Yes
     
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  16. skeezy

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    I’ve over contributed to my Roth last year. I got a new job that bumped me out of the income limits and my 900 that I contributed is now too much. What do I do
     
  17. Bar None

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    I would call the customer service for whatever institution the account is in. This happens pretty often and should be easy to clean up with their help. I wonder if you also wouldn’t be able to re-characterize it as a traditional IRA, and then backdoor it right back to a Roth if you don’t already have other assets in a traditional IRA.
     
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  18. Jimmy the Saint

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    Recharacterize it as a traditional contribution and backdoor it to a Roth if you can. Just do it before 4/15.
     
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  19. skeezy

    skeezy what is this? meowschwitz?
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    Can I throw it into a work plan? I’ve got an old one I rolled over into a vanguard trad ira when I left
     
  20. Jimmy the Saint

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    You can recharacterize it to a traditional IRA contribution and you’ll be fine. Alternatively you could just withdraw it and you’ll just owe tax on any earnings.

    If you want to do a backdoor Roth with the contribution though you’d be subject to the pro rata rule and some or all of the contribution would be taxable when converted since you have a traditional IRA with a balance.
     
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  21. DuffandMuff

    DuffandMuff Well-Known Member
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    TSLA continuing its steady march towards my buy price of $7.
     
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  22. rcragg82

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    Tax related but I did our taxes on Sunday. My wife's employer for some reason only withheld 3% for federal taxes. I've had to explain selecting 0 or 1 as dependents shouldn't make this big of a difference. She makes $68k/year and only withheld $2.5k in 2023 and now I need to write a check to cover the difference. Fun stuff.

    I told her to take to her payroll people. We have 1 kid and she is claiming him but any other reason you guys can think of why a payroll dept would withhold so little? I'm not sure how that is determined on paycheck level.
     
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  23. Jimmy the Saint

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    Doing some quick back of the napkin math her W-4 might be filled out incorrectly indicating MFJ but that she has the only job instead of you both having jobs. $68k - $27.7k MFJ standard deduction = $40.7k taxable income x 12% = $4,884 tax - $2k child tax credit = $2,884 net tax.
     
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  24. skeezy

    skeezy what is this? meowschwitz?
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    I've gotten that i need to withdraw 1400 with the excess and earnings from the roth and move into the new ira. does it matter that that excess contribution wasn't in one lump sum and was in monthly deposits of $100.
     
  25. Jimmy the Saint

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    Nope, makes no difference. If both the Roth IRA and traditional IRA are with the same institution it should be a fairly easy process if you contact them.
     
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  26. Russellin4885

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    I deal with payroll for a couple companies and it's been a problem for a couple years not but from what I understand, IRS last couple years has made an attempt for people not to get big refunds and for withholdings to be more accurate. It's messed up a lot of peoples withholdings though, just have them change everything to zero and track it, you might still need to do extra withholdings if you don't want to come out of pocket end of year.
     
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  27. Sportfan

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    Rates are never coming down. At some point we’ll have to adjust the 2% target for corporate greed.

     
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  28. kennypowers

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    There are some not so bad numbers in the report at first glance. I don't know how the fed can control things like auto insurance, medical costs, and apparel which are driving numbers.
     
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  29. user15000

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    But TrAnSiToRy

    Welcome to fiscal dominance.
     
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  30. brolift

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    Does VTI go up or down based on this thanks
     
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  31. Doc Louis

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    Thought the higher mortgages were a part as well, which less supply and declined but steady demand would drive higher. And that's with a 7% interest rate driving payments up.
     
  32. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    Down today a good amount
     
  33. ono

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    Wife's company changed HR providers last year and somehow withholding got screwed up, specifically she withheld like $100 or something. We owed $11k to the government. That was a fun check to write.
     
  34. Lyrtch

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    Good discount day
     
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  35. brolift

    brolift 2sweet
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    get the mods to fix it thanks
     
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  36. Hatfield

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    Fiscal Dominance sounds like a cover band from the Wharton MBA program
     
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  37. billdozer

    billdozer Well-Known Member
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    devine
     
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  38. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    Concerning
     
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  39. devine

    devine hi, i am user devine
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    They can’t even read but I’m sure they’ll get right on the investment fixes
     
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  40. Lyrtch

    Lyrtch My second favorite meat is hamburger
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    I really want to do the Robinhood IRA 3% match

    boglehead forum seems to largely have good thoughts
     
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  41. Tug

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    I like Robinhood because of ease of use. I don’t do anything complicated with it though, and I recognize that some people have gripes dating back to GME. I’ve considered getting the credit card they’re offering now
     
  42. kinghill

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    yes
     
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  43. kinghill

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    Got a lil raise at work :chatzy:
    Tweaked W4 and 401k contribution so that my take home net pay only changed by about 10 bucks.
    This is the way
     
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  44. fish

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    Congrats!
     
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  45. kinghill

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    why would Schwab web site say today April 13th I missed the deadline to contribute to an IRA for 2023?
     
  46. Joystick Izzy

    Joystick Izzy Well-Known Member
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    I just can’t bring myself to move from vanguard for a one-time 3% bump. But it’s probably a fine decision.

    it’s also fine to constantly chase sign up bonuses by signing up for new checking accounts that have sign up bonuses. But I’m not doing that either.
     
  47. kinghill

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    why not?
     
  48. The Blackfish

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    You have until April to contribute to the previous years IRA. You have from 1/1/24-4/##/25 to make your 2024 contributions.
     
  49. kinghill

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    so they just pick a random day in April?

    I thought it was the 15th