after one viewing I feel kinda about it. I'm hoping I like it more on repeated viewings. Box office isn't great. The obvious dumb decision to release it in May so soon after TLJ and right after Avengers and Deadpool has turned out to be, shockingly, dumb. Star Wars is a Christmas movie now and the sooner they accept that the better.
I thought it was great. Pacing was good and there weren’t any silly tangents or unnecessary plot lines. Would recommend.
Alden did as good of a job as could be expected, but there is only one Han and he ain’t it. The end cameo was fine if you’re starting from the premise that that shit storyline has to be honored. The plot at least makes sense within the Star Wars universe, so better than the last effort I guess.
Oh and Spoiler Maul was portrayed by Ray Park who played him in TPM, obviously voiced by that beautiful man Sam Witwer
Spoiler I don't really keep up with the cartoons. Is it possible Maul gets taken out by Vader or Palpatine? Seeing that on the big screen would be worthy
Go ahead. I'm not going to watch either cartoon more than I already have. Assume it happens in Rebels at some point?
Spoiler Yeah, he tracks down Obi Wan on Tattoine, they face off in the desert and Obi Wan finishes him in less than 5 seconds by recognizing the same move Maul used in TPM. Was a great samurai like ending.
No Spoiler obi wan bought into the chosen one prophecy but yoda was more wise than to believe in prophecies “always in motion, the future is”
I am talking about him hanging around with another non-skywalker force sensitive with some Jedi training.
Ah, but still not really Spoiler: end of rebels spoiler Ezra and thrawn get shot into hyperspace somewhere in the unknown regions or wild space It’s a bit dodgy but I assume they have a way around it on that front since rebels was always planned to end that way
I think they're bought into the chosen one/Skywalker scenario. I don't know if Obi Wan knows Ezra has disappeared to the unknown regions or not, but I doubt he thought Ezra was ever going to be powerful enough to take on the Emperor and Vader. Useful for the rebellion, yes, but not for their ultimate purpose. He doesn't even encourage him to return for more training, which could have been pretty helpful.
Plus Vader obviously had no qualms about killing literally anyone and everyone else He would’ve killed Ezra without so much as breaking a sweat
His more calm and subdued voice suited the character better in TPM as more of a sith assassin whereas Spoiler Witwer really captures that tenacity and sheer rage that I guess is the reasoning they’re going with as to how he survived
It’s just that the expanded canon has really weakened the sentiment of the OT that Luke really was the end of the line. “You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion” “That boy is our last hope”
all after his association with Obi Wan was done. Even if he suspected he would become more powerful, he still may not have felt he stood a chance against Sidious and Vader. I mean, Obi Wan and Yoda failed against them and didn't even try again themselves.
Yup it’s definitely dispensed with the chosen one stuff. Even Luke took it even further when he said “And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi. To say that if the Jedi die, the light dies, is vanity. Can you feel that?”
It was just the one line right: "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi...at last we will have our revenge." I quoted that from memory despite not having seen the movies in many years, simply because it was in the trailer which I took a day and a half to download on quicktime.com back in 1999 and watched a million times.
I still remember the opening shot of TPM trailer with the gungans marching through the foggy marsh, thinking “This is going to be amazing”
When I first watched TPM I actually wasn’t upset and was so happy to have a new movie. I don’t think there was a movie in this franchise I hated immediately after viewing. Took time to digest before that happened
1. There was no one saying "I have to see a SOLO movie" when Disney announced there would be stand-alone films to compliment the saga movies. 2. The idea of a SOLO movie was met with a lot of skepticism, much of which lingered up until and throughout its release. 3. The Last Jedi was---fairly or not---very polarizing within the fanbase 4. It's only been five months since the last one. There used to be three years in between each entry, with a whole generation in between each series of entries It's not just Star Wars fatigue either. Deadpool 2 has really underperformed. A coveted sequel to a very popular first movie should have seen an uptick in ticket sales, but it's coming in much lower. Honestly I think Black Panther and Infinity War back to back just sucked the life out of moviegoers. Those were two really huge movies for different reasons (despite being in the same genre) and sort of swallowed up the room.
I think that's the straw that broke the camel's back, but all four of those points added up to this really disastrous opening weekend. It's possible the entire box office run of Solo is less than The Force Awakens opening weekend.
That doesn't hold up to Disney hitting up the Marvel cash register at the box office much more frequently than Star Wars. The bottom line is that the product isn't good enough for what fans demand.
The MCU only exploded after the first avengers. Before, when they were seen as a series of stand alone movies they were average hits (other than iron man 2). The novelty of the first avengers and people buying into the shared universe idea has buoyed all the other mcu movies. It has an advantage star wars doesn't have, not to mention 50 years of stories to draw from and a creative minded producer guiding the big picture story. Kennedy isn't Feige. But let's not at act like the Disney star wars movies have been middling at the box office. This is the first underperformer and there were factors working against it that haven't been there with the other movies.
I’m speaking specifically about this movie, which may struggle to be profitable, and the concept that there is too much Star Wars content out there. This movie’s financial struggles are a reflection of this movie, and not external factors. Disney lost nothing by pushing out Infinity War a couple of months after Black Panther, and it’s because they could be confident that both products were offering content the fans wanted. As someone who enjoyed Solo - it was fine for what it was, but it does nothing to open up this giant galaxy of content, and my sense is that it’s because they’re not risk takers with their new shiny property and because they’re trying to tie everything together too tightly. But that means they’re telling a story where everyone knows more or less how it ends. If done well, you get Rogue One; if not, you get an okay movie that other studios aren’t afraid of and causal fans don’t feel compelled to go see. But then I go back to the trainwreck that was the end of Rebels (to say nothing of the glaring continuity flaws the series created while Hidalgo was tweeting about how this one line here connected to one line in ANH or whatever) and think that maybe it’s not a bad thing that the movies have had a short leash until they have better creative minds in control.
Okay, I guess I misunderstood because I agree with everything you said here. I'll add that I think the biggest problem with Solo is that no one was demanding it and there was no pent up anticipation for it the way there was for Black Panther (within a particular segment of the population, for whom it was seen as a huge milestone/event) or Infinity War (part one in a 20-movie payoff). On the other hand no one was really clamoring for Rogue One and it made a billion dollars. I don't think Solo would have made a billion dollars had it come out the Christmas after The Force Awakens, though it would have done a lot better. Kennedy needs to rein in her productions, stop going over budget, make better directorial hires and, as you say, expand the universe instead of finding a dozen ways to shrink it.
Everyone's different. I loved TFA and TLJ but thought Solo was just average at best and largely uninspired. The Kessel Run was the best part but the first act train robbery was soulless and the stuff after Kessel felt tacked on and really dragged the film down.
I would add to stop the SJW shit too. Don't give a fuck about Boba Fett and old Obi Wan on Tatooine movies. I would like a young Obi Wan movie or give me new stories. I guess that's why Rian was hired to do a new trilogy because Lucasfilm doesn't have any new ideas of their own.
I want to know the outline GL had for 7, 8, 9 that was basically rejected. How much does GL's vision differ from the current sequel storyline?
It’s what I’ve been saying all along about the standalone movies. Give me movies about events in the timeline, not about specific characters. I don’t need someone to write a 2-3 hour story just to tell me what I already know; Han Solo is cool, Boba Fett is a badass, Obi-Wan is stoic.
Seeing it later and I have to know. Do they address the life debt? Did they change it? Make it better or worse?
I could get behind a boba get movie if I get to see Vader again, like Vader recruiting his services for a bounty or mission etc.
I'd much rather a bounty hunter group movie, rather than just one focused on Fett. But Mangold is solid so I'll wait to see what he's planning.
Needs to be post ROTJ imo. If it doesn't.... then however badass they try to make Boba Fett won't change the fact that he goes out like a bitch. Still don't want this movie.