I just realized that we might have an outward shot of seeing an Entwive. the gardens they lived in were destroyed by Sauron just prior to the War of the Last Alliance. if that war is ultimately where we're headed (and I kind of think it is) then they may sneak one in for shits and giggles since it's become such a memed question in the lore community.
So someone referenced the other day that there was a Balrog in one of the coming attractions. Did we just see it in this last episode, meaning we avoid that from really happening?
Could be it, I think the Balrog shot in the trailer was different from that Gil-Galad story but if they don’t want to wreck the timeline even more Durin’s Bane should hibernate for longer.
I didn't see the trailer, but I feel like throwing a Balrog in with the intention of it being a crucial scene would be a huge spoiler.
This. Right. Here. Gil-Galad has to be the densest fucking being on Middle-Earth if he didn’t pick up what Elrond was putting down. Like does he actually have to wink at you when he answers like he did MFer? The answer would have been “No” and wouldn’t have broken his oath if they had not found it.
Read an article discussing which of the current characters we have met could end up becoming a ringwraiths later on in the Lord of the Rings. Halbrand is definitely a suspect.
“did the dwarves discover this very specific thing?” “sorry, I took an oath specifically to not discuss whether or not they did! I mean if they didn’t I’d totally tell you, obviously, but under the very narrow set of conditions of this reality I can’t reveal the truth! That truth being something other than the specific thing you asked about not being discovered!”
Re: getting invested in characters Arondir is the most machine-like elf I’ve seen in any Tolkien elf. He’s got the charisma of a tooth pick and I’m willing to bet when people complain about someone being poorly written or acted he’s at least part of the reason behind it. it also seems like Numenor just took us in circles for like 3 episodes. Galadriel and Halbrand have gone back and forth on the same topics since they met. Why not flesh that whole discussion out the 2nd or even 3rd time you have it on screen. it’s not so much “I need action and battles” it’s why are we having this convo again for the Nth time the 3rd-4th episode in a row. Had they taken the conversation to its completion last episode or the one before then it would have probably meant a lot more in getting me invested but at this point it didn’t do shit because… the pacing is shit
normally that filler time would be used for world and lore building… but they don’t have rights and they are already making up stuff. I’ve actually enjoyed the show up to this episode, but this one wasn’t great.
my biggest gripe (and I still like this show and think it has potential) is how poorly written the elves are almost without exception. they write Galadriel like she's a human, Gil-galad is a robot doofus and Elrond just seems off to me, although in fairness he's still young for an elf so maybe he grows into it later in life?
The over the top girl-power thing for Galadriel is so unnecessary, she’s seen as maybe the second most powerful elf leaving Valinor behind Feanor himself and she spurned him for the rash douchebag he is several times.
that scene in the first episode with child Galadriel is terrrrrrrrrrrible. that's how you write a human because they live for eighty years and sometimes need motivation. elves are immortal, there's no need for a chip on their shoulder but no, that scene happened probably YT 1400 or so and three to four thousand years later it's still right at the forefront of her decision-making process. she's a thousand-plus years older than Gil-galad, two thousand years older than Elrond and they snuck around behind her back because they were worried she'd do something impetuous and dumb when really she's the wisest of all Elves on ME and Gil-galad would go to her for council not the other way around. she would have never stood for essentially being forced to go West, she'd have said "lol no" and stayed which she essentially did when the Valar pardoned her and summoned her West, she rejected them and stayed because she knew Sauron was still around and needed to be found and destroyed. she's so much better in the books, she's just this effortless badass and being a woman is coincidental.
apparently there were a few leaks prior to the series launch and one of them concerned Adar. if the leak is true it's unbelievably bad/dumb writing for anyone remotely clued in to the lore (Adar is fake and created just for the show but who he represents is not). it's also "lol we're going to just make up whatever shit we want outside of actually killing characters who we know are alive in the LOTR" territory and the rest of the show will be an unpredictable mess.
I think Gil-galad got exactly what he wanted out of that conversation with Elrond. he was pretty sure the dwarves found it, but just knowing wasn’t enough. he needed Elrond to use his relationship with Durin to make a deal for it. he’s wasn’t pumping Elrond for information, he was getting him to take up the cause.
Someone who knows more clue me in. I get the fable with the tree and the origin of mithril and what not and wanting the ‘light’. But isnt the tree rotting a clear sign of Sauron’s return? Instead of stealing the dwarves ore shouldnt that be their #1 concern? Gil-Galad just seems like an all time dipshit. When I think of elves I think of arrogance not ignorance.
No, because if what he said is true then the Elves will all die. It's the same problem basically manifest by Sauron's return.
The immortal elves need Mithril or they will essentially die out by spring? That’s by far the dumbest thing the show has done.
Not die, but fade from Middle Earth unless they return to Valinor. Given mithril’s link to the Silmarils, not absurd at all, other than maybe the accelerated timeline. Even after obtaining mithril, they’re in the same fading process at the end of the Third Age.
he went about it in the worst way possible if that was his actual goal and he wasn't just being dense. As for the bolded part I'd give 95% credit to Celebrimbor and 5% to Gil Galad. Gil's conversation to get Elrond to take up the cause was dogshit and he didn't seem the least bit interested If his goal was to "make elrond aware of the situation/stakes" then he accomplished that. Celebrimbor's story about Elrond's dad is 100% the conversation that actually got him on board
fast forwarding.... the first time watching something? And yet you know the stuff you're fast fowarding through is corny? Just don't watch it man
you don't think there might be some dialogue or context you're missing that could be crucial to the story?
The Hobbit was corny as hell for me, and dialog on all three can be super cringe at time if looked through a lens of how we talk now. That said, Hobbits and their ancestors are supposed to be corny as they are farmers/gathers, which is where corny (midwestern) came from. If anything for me the cringe-ness now is more from the standpoint that they use the same types of tropes as they did int he first, so more of a been there done that joke for me type of thing. corn·y /ˈkôrnēy Origin 1930s: from an earlier sense ‘rustic, appealing to country folk’.
The Hobbit for sure. And to be fair I don't think anyone thinks of the true definition of the word when using the temr corny.
your opinion is that the stuff you're fast forwarding through is corny, even though you have no idea what is even being said. that's fine but I wouldn't expect someone who is fast forwarding through stuff that they've never seen before will frequent the thread and give any other opinions
As a Husk I get quite offended at the term “corny”. I’m disappointed the mods allow such filth in the forums.
I am not in love with this show but I definitely find it enjoyable, the responses in here are wild to me because they are mostly negative and are ranging from Tolkien scholars nitpicking, to people I don't know if they can walk and chew gum at the same time
Thought this episode was pretty good.halbrand is definitely Sauron really wish we could see theo’s moms thangs a few criticisms of tv/movies overall and not necessarily calling this show out in particular- -why does everything have to be so fucking dark? I remember watching things in standard definition that were shot in the dark and could clearly see everything going on. Seems like tv and movies are getting harder and harder to see what’s going on the better tvs are getting. Weird -I always laugh when the hero gets into a fight, but the person who manages to get the best of them magically isn’t armed. Why didn’t the big orc carry a weapon? Could’ve stabbed him or cut his head off when he was behind him. Same with the orc that jumped on the back of the horse - had he been armed, he’d have killed him. Just avoid those scenes all together
The way Peter Jackson shot the battle at Helms Deep is the standard that all scenes shot in the dark should be compared to. And agree on the scenes when it looks like someone is about to die but they don't. Just don't. They never, ever build tension. For instance in this episode elf dude is getting strangled by the orc and it goes on and on and on and on but you know he's not going to die. I knew before it even happened someone would stab the orc from behind. It's so predictable. PS Halbrand is 100% Sauron. At this point if he's not then I'll be pretty surprised.
I remember watching Jurassic park as a kid on vhs in like a 18 inch tv/vcr combo. Half that movie is at night. I never had to question what I was watching or what was going on
Geography seems to fit and with everything dead/covered in ash we may have just created the plains of Gorgoroth
Seems ominous that he asks Adar “do you remember me?” and then Adar recounts killing Sauron like 5 minutes later
He also obviously did a bait and switch with the sword hilt. He was the one that picked it up from Adar and then "gives" it back to the elf guy.