Official Ukraine Thread: Putin On The Fritz

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  1. Tigers

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    Ukraine shot down a Tu-22 bomber for the first time. Pretty impressive



     
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  3. WhiskeyDelta

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    Soviet bombers are so unapologetically fugly and I love them so much.
     
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  5. THF

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    Apparently a couple people were saying the Ukrainians modified an S200 interceptor to extend the range and this was what they used to take down the 22.

    Apparently they also took out an over the horizon radar installation inside Russia with drones recently which could have spotted the F16s when arriving and landing and targeted them.
     
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  6. ramszoolander

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    There's footage of it. Another one of these Shahed type drones. Unbelievable that there's no AA near an installation like that.
     
  7. Bruce Wayne

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    Isn't this purely because the TikTok ban is included in the bill?
     
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  8. theregionsitter

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    285 to 101 why did this take so damn long
     
  9. Lyrtch

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    Hastert rule
     
  10. Illinihockey

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    johnson didn’t want to get ousted as speaker for bringing it to the floor but the Dems assured him they’d save him if it came to it
     
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  12. Bricktop the white

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  13. Killy Me Please

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    this and because the GOP is teetering on the speakership as it is, moderate Repubs can swing a lot of dick in that chamber right now by threatening their seats.
     
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  16. RockHardJawn39

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    Allegedly this new aid bill forces Biden to give Ukraine atacms
     
  17. Bricktop the white

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    I fucking hope so. We should have dumped every last one we have on em. They're all due to be replaced with a new system anyway.
     
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  18. slogan119

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    Was listening to a random podcast and some “expert” said something interesting which troubled them.

    Basically, his opinion was that there are two ways this war ends: Russia defeats Ukraine and pushes towards Poland, which triggers a broader conflict with NATO, or Ukraine pushes into Russia, in which Putin responds by launching nukes.

    Not very optimistic and also screams of MIC in many ways, but def can see it.
     
  19. bwi2

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    name the expert, that’s a shitty opinion

    Russia is likely to settle for far less than Ukrainian defeat. They would accept peace today on current lines. Ukraine has never demonstrated intent to take (legitimately) Russian territory.

    ETA: neither side has demonstrated the capability to defeat the other
     
  20. LetItSoak

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    There's no world that exists where Ukraine tries to push into Russia. Even if they wanted to we would never let them
     
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    I think this is the most likely option but will probably take Putin being ousted or offed (preferably both).
     
  22. theregionsitter

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    Ukraine hasn’t moved the Russian lines in 18 months guys
     
  23. slogan119

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    Honestly IDK the guy’s name because it was a short blurb I heard and never went back to find it.

    I could be wrong but I think it was referring to re-taking territory, not moving towards Moscow.
     
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  24. Paddy Murphy

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    Yeah that expert sounds like your average clickbait Twitter account. Ukraine would not go into Russia (period) and Russia would not go into Poland (because the high risk of that would be war with NATO, which they would lose, and NATO wouldn’t stop at the Polish border, they would take back Ukraine too given the excuse, imo).

    Absent a change in western willingness to push Russia back into their territory, this is going to be a stale mate until Ukraine runs of out of fighting age men willing to die for their country. What predictions are on that timeline, I do not know.
     
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  25. The Banks

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    We considering Crimea as Ukraine here, right?
     
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  27. Tigers

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    Yea I don’t really see any realistic scenarios where Ukraine is able to even get close to pushing Russia back to prewar lines.

    just doesnt seem possible no matter how much shit we send them.

    but i do hope we can get them enough stuff to get the pressure back on to Russia and get them bleeding enough to accept peace.

    getting all of it back is impossible and Ukraine needs to realize that. Their best bet is end the war and get back what you can. Resolve border issues and secure peace. Then get into eu and nato for future security.

    then load Ukraine up with nato troops.
     
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  28. infected donkey

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    I think they will recover crimea as that's one of the most important tings for them as all the natural gas that's there.
     
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  29. The Banks

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    Regaining Crimea seems infinitely harder than taking back the pre-invasion lines, no?
     
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  30. ramszoolander

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    I'm not sure, but the more likely thing is that (if they'd recapture either of those goals) there would be a palace revolt in Russia. End of Putin = end of war.
     
  31. RockHardJawn39

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    How many atacms, if possible, to put the bridge out of commission for a significant amount of time?
     
  32. Tigers

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    3,700 ATACMS made all time (stopped making them in 2007).

    650 known to be owned by Non US nations

    US has confirmed to us at least 560 in combat already

    2,290 MAX available for Ukraine and also have to assume a very small number of those are this upgraded longer ranger version

    Ukraine probably getting a few dozen at the most. I would think best case Ukraine uses them to take out S300/S400 batteries, some HQ hits, and MAYBE take a go at the bridge but I would be pretty shocked if it worked.

    Not really expecting major battlefield impact from these
     
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  33. ramszoolander

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    Huge drone swarm + ATACMS + maybe Taurus now that this is happening since Schulz is a cuck. BINGO BANGO you takin' the ferry bro
     
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  34. timo

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    Using those things on a bridge that can be repaired reasonably quickly is a waste in my opinion.

    Last summer when Ukraine was trying an offensive to cut off Russian forces to the south, going at the bridge made sense, since it would have been the major means for Russia to re-supply and reinforce trapped units.

    ...and the offensive failed because of dogshit tactics and excellent Russian defensive positions, not because of a bridge.
     
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  35. theregionsitter

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    Ukraine will use them on air defenses
     
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  37. theregionsitter

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    Bradleys are gonna be transferred en mass, looks like they finally got the message

    lots of air and airfield related items today from USA and England

    looks like F16s are soon
     
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  38. timo

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    is this real?
     
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  39. theregionsitter

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  40. theregionsitter

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    Ukraine has no chance right now, they seem exhausted. I’m not sure what the strategy is but this summer looks bleak. Poland is talking about deporting all the Ukrainian men hiding in the country because the military is wiped out.

    This war should’ve ended two years ago, make no mistake Russia is absolutely winning right now.
     
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  41. Butthead

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    One of the podcasts I was listening to said the average age of a Ukrainian soldier is 40. That seems not ideal
     
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  42. theregionsitter

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    Ukraine has avoided drafting anyone under 30 to avoid demographic collapse which is a serious problem for them
     
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  43. LetItSoak

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    Just dropped it to 25 I think which is wild
     
  44. shaolin5

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    So I'm not the most familiar person with strategy but at what point does the US and the rest of NATO do something to protect the billions and billions of dollars in investments they have made for Ukraine? Seems like a real bad thing to just let Ukraine lose
     
  45. theregionsitter

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    it’s not letting them lose, it’s just moving on and getting a peace deal done

    unfortunately another 100,000 ppl will die before this happens
     
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  46. shaolin5

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    I agree with that as well. But if neither side is interested in compromise (Russia because they have momentum and Ukraine because they are fighting for survival), then what? We obviously are vested in seeing at least some kind of favorable outcome (Europe even more so). Do you see any possibility of NATO upping the ante? Or is it possible another country (Poland) might intervene on their own? I'm just thinking put loud because the chances of having an outcome that both sides can agree on seems slim. And even if it WOULD happen, it seems to me that both sides would try to get stronger only to do this again down the road
     
  47. Jake Barnes

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    Bricktop the white said it correctly when the war started; this is going to the death for both sides. Putin CANNOT afford to capitulate in any way; he’s been offered multiple off-ramps and refuses to take them even at the expense of almost losing run of the country in the Wagner rebellion. He has to do what he said he would or it’s over for him.