Official Ukraine Thread: Putin On The Fritz

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  1. joe-

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    the ~*~anti-imperialist leftists~*~ are having themselves a good time on Twitter trying to explain away the genocide taking place
     
  2. Lyrtch

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  3. WhiskeyDelta

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    These are the same fucking idiots who Stan for Assad in Syria
     
  4. Lyrtch

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    "The scope of the potential U.S. retaliatory measures was not exactly clear, but senior Biden officials have previously discussed potentially devastating “secondary sanctions” that would target countries that continue to trade with Russia.



    The Biden administration could also impose sanctions on sectors of the Russian economy that they have not hit so far, including mining, transportation, and additional parts of the Russian financial sector. The world continues to buy billions of dollars worth in Russian oil and gas, giving the Kremlin a direct financial lifeline. Officials stressed planning was preliminary and no decisions had been made about potential responses."

    from the new wapo article
     
  5. Beachy Toast

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  6. fsugrad99

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    The only people I hate as much as the ultra right are the ultra left
     
  7. joe-

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    they’re the same
     
  8. Lyrtch

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    i think people make a mistake of assigning idiocy as a component of ideology, i follow a bunch of marxist historians who regularly mock the people I assume are being referenced here as "ultra left". basically the Jimmy Dore/Krystal Ball faction aren't more left wing than most they're just morons.
     
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  9. One Two

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    Please don’t do this tangent.
     
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  10. Blu Tang Clan

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    Mine too!
     
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  11. Where Eagles Dare

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    Oh boy.

    Tell me you were taught American right leaning historical propaganda without tell me...
     
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  12. Arliden

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    Russia is making countries pay for nat gas in rubles, hard for Germans and other European countries to avoid. Because of that RUB/USD has reversed course significantly from when the sanctions were first announced, and is now right around pre-war levels.

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    The above is the result of owning the European energy supply chain.

    Obviously they also have capital controls on Russian citizens so they can’t exchange rubles for foreign reserves which helps keep a lid on things as well.
     
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  14. bro

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    came across Krystal the other day and figured she was a fucking idiot.
     
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  15. One Two

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    Good perspective. I am 100% for arming Ukrainians but thread below deals with why you can’t just send them everything
     
  16. Jake Barnes

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    In addition to the stupidity is the complementary and far more corrosive hubristic imperative of absolute monopolized moral superiority.

    Whether fascistic or collective, the true poison in highly centralized autocratic governance is the repulsion of self-examination and self-critique for your methods. When you know you’re right, such traits are inconvenient at best and a threat to your power at worst. We’re seeing it in living color in Moscow.
     
  17. Lyrtch

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    haven't all the countries said they won't pay in rubles as the contracts don't require it?
     
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  18. Jake Barnes

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    I know that Germany at least has.

    The Baltic States also announced they were cutting off Russian O&G after the Bucha pics and vids started making the rounds.
     
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  19. Arliden

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    They have said they won’t, but as of now they are still buying Russian gas.
     
  20. Lyrtch

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    because they called putins bluff on only accepting payment in rubles yes?
     
  21. Homo Erectus

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    You also want shot in the head for jcb's bday? I commend you for your loyalty
     
  22. Prospector

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  23. Arliden

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    Looks like so far the 7 countries have rejected paying in rubles but I believe putins “deadline” was friday, either way sending him euros or dollars still benefits the strength of the ruble.
     
  24. buy_dont_lease

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    4D chess
     
  25. Jake Barnes

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    Not if they have no way to exchange them.

    I believe the reason that Putin wants payments in rubles is to inject them directly into the Russian economy to ease the loss of the frozen reserves overseas. This way, you aren’t having to print more physical cash that will cause inflation.
     
  26. —

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    Wow Jose Andres telling on himself for not providing meals in every war zone on the planet right now.
     
  27. Wicket

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    interview that I missed?
     
  28. —

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    Making fun of the big brains in here who want posters to feel guilty for caring about Ukraine.
     
  29. Wicket

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    thats fine, Jose Andres is an international treasure and love how globally recognized that is becoming
     
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  30. Redav

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    Yeah I think people confuse the idiots that get fed to them for engagement vs people who are actually far left
     
  31. Shunface

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    You’ve quoted me twice without my responding and you’re claiming I’m the one dragging this out?
     
  32. Arliden

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    They’ll have ways to make it benefit them, the ruble already has recovered somewhat (even if some of it is bs as I said before w/ capital controls, but there is definitely a portion of it being western countries still sending $$ via gas purchases.)

    Based on this Reuters article that doesn’t sound like his intention. If your them is rubles, but it does ease the loss of frozen FX reserves when you are sent foreign cash for gas.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...n-gas-must-be-paid-roubles-friday-2022-03-31/

     
  33. Beachy Toast

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  34. Beachy Toast

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    Glenn Greenwald doing Glenn Greenwald things again:

     
  35. Wicket

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    you can also call it a Qanon rally, an anti-vax rally, a crypto rally or whatever you want to call it, its all the same group of idiots
     
  36. Jake Barnes

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    Curious what he considers evidence.

    Do the Russian soldiers need to make a video saying “Yeah, our bad”?
     
  37. Wicket

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    hed prolly still call that a deepfake
     
  38. Beachy Toast

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    Scotty still being a turd; guy should've been in jail longer:

     
  39. The Banks

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    Remove subsidies for O&G. Done.
     
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  40. WC

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    Im not an economist, but this guy is and he says it’s just currency manipulation. Not suggesting that isn’t your point, just furthering the convo.

     
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  41. joe-

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    they killed all the dogs too :( I just saw a video with a bunch of dead pets
     
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  42. Arliden

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    While I agree part of it is window dressing, there is definitely some fundamental base strength for Russia as long as European countries keep purchasing russian gas deliveries. Side note: weather right now is not helping Europe as it is pretty cold at the moment.





    Another economists take.
     
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  43. Arliden

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    That’s fine but people need to realize as it stands you do need fossil fuels to produce renewables, if fossil fuels are not relatively inexpensive then these costs roll into renewables. Which is why you’ve seen solar prices increase over the past couple of years.
     
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  44. The Banks

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    We understand that. No one is saying to completely remove ourselves from fossil fuels.
     
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  45. Arliden

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    For sure, the point is doing that in a way shoots yourself in the foot as a removal of subsidies which would increase the costs of fossil fuels and would also de incentivize companies putting cap ex into them. Long run means higher renewable energy costs.
     
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  46. Imurhuckleberry

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    Not just Ukrainians.
     
  47. Roy

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    so his single called cult and comprehend his policies
     
  48. Beachy Toast

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    The balls on this motherfucker.
     
  49. The Banks

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    Obviously a simplistic view:

    Option A: Subsidize O&G - no incentive for renewables
    Option B: Subsidize Renewables - slightly higher cost for renewables but that cost is subsidized
     
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  50. Arliden

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    I mean personally I’d subsidize both for a while.

    And in general it’s going to take government fiscal intervention at or above the level of the pandemic stimulus checks/PPP loans to make serious progress on this issue.