Easily the biggest missed opportunity was not developing Bobby's character. I mean this kid is the fucking son of Draper. Would love to see some signs that he's a future creative pussy slayer in the making
ehh child actors generally take away from the story, and it was clear they never found an actor to play bobby as good as kiernan shipka was at playing sally.
I agree, and Weiner said as much. But aren't you intrigued to know more about Don Draper Jr? I want a spin off about Bobby, or maybe even about Jean. Pete/Peggy's child and Joan/Roger's child could be in it as well
spinoff is unlikely, as weiner has a first look development deal with hbo and his relationship with amc isn't the best anyways
I know you guys are Mad Men fans but if you can, stop being analytical for a second and just fantasize with me
Bobby grows up and rejects his dad's business; joins the opera. Sally works in charity and sees her dad a lot. In the end, the whole family will go to see Bobby's latest performance in Italy, and then a hitman in a priest getup will attempt to assassinate Don, but instead will kill Sally, leaving Don a broken man, alone forever, with only his grief and regret to keep him company.
Gene will grow up to take over his dad's business. He'll actually become a hothead who makes rash decisions but gets out of them through cunning and good instincts. He also starts a fling with his first cousin. Don forbids this but the romance persists behind his back. Eventually Don offers Gene the chance to become the head of the family (Gene gets to be "Don" if you will) but in return he has to give up his incestuous romance. Gene agrees and takes over. Also Don visits a priest and for the first time in 30 years confesses his sins. The priest tells him that his sins are great and deserve punishment but that he can be redeemed. Obviously Sally's death is his punishment, meaning that it's possible Don had some spiritual redemption at the end of his life.
June, 1985 Sally Franklin-Draper, 31 years old and recently divorced, headed down Madison Avenue in Manhattan to see her father. Gene was going to be there, his birthday was this weekend. Since Bobby's OD, Don had become much closer to Gene. Bobby had rejected almost everything Don had stood for and grew to hate his father. The late 70s saw him sink deeper and deeper into the drug culture prominent in the New York's gay society. Sally missed her brother, but felt he had missed the worst part of being gay in America. The influx of the conservative movement in the 80s, to say nothing of AIDS, made her feel Bobby had died before it got really bad. She probably only did that to make herself feel better about Bobby's death. They, too, had grown apart. First Betty, then Glenn, then Bobby, then Ted, her husband. No, Ted wasn't dead. He was just gone forever. Spring was holding on with a vengeance that early summer morning. Sally's apartment at the Dakota was only a short walk through Central Park to that Chinese place her father enjoyed so much. Hopefully, they didn't have to wait for Gene. She knew, however, that they would. They always had to wait on Gene. Sally entered Liu Ming's right at noon, she was always punctual. She was surprised to see her father already there, Peggy at his side as she had been since Sally was a girl. Don and Peggy never dated, nothing like that, but Sally knew Don would have faded away a long time ago if not for Peggy Rizzo. Peggy's husband, Stan, had disappeared almost ten years ago. He left for a pack of cigarettes a few days before Christmas 1976 and never returned. Always stoic and unflappable, Peggy kept her upper lip stiff and carried on. Sally beamed at the two of them as she always did. She loved Peggy like an aunt, maybe even a mother. And Don... well, who didn't beam at Don Draper. Don stood and wrapped his arms around her, holding tightly. "Hey Pooh bear," he whispered in her ear. "It's good to see you." "You, too, daddy," Sally replied. "Sally, you are just the picture of beauty. I'm amazed everytime you walk into a room. Makes me wonder if I'm a lesbian," Peggy said, pulling her close. "That's creepy, Peggy," Sally laughed. "Eh, whatcha gonna do?", Peggy said back, holding her at arm's length and looking her over. "My god, you look just like your mother sometimes. She was beautiful as well." "Thank you, Peggy. I can only pray to look as good as you in twenty years. It seems you get prettier every year." That wasn't really true, the years had taken a toll on Peggy. Sally couldn't remember another man in her life since Stan left. Peggy had thrown herself even more into her work. You know that ad where Folger's coffee was served at expensive restaurants to fool the guest that they weren't drinking expensive coffee but Folgers instant coffee instead? Brought to you by Peggy Rizzo. Sally sat and scooted over toward her father. The years hadn't been so rough on Don as they had Peggy, they looked to be about the same age now, although Don was thirteen years her senior. Don was turning sixty next year and the gray at his temples was proof of it. Still, he was a handsome man and could carry a room if he desired. Never a slave to fashion, Don still kept his hair short and his face clean-shaven (after a dismal experiment with long sideburns and a fu-manchu in 1974). "How have you been, Pooh Bear? Still working?" Don asked, pulling a napkin from the ring. "Of course I am, daddy. I love it there. I don't think they could exist without me," she replied to Don, a sly smile on her face. "That's my girl." Don smiled, a real smile. A Dick Whitman smile. Sally had taken over editorial duties for Cosmopolitan magazine a few years back. She was the one that pushed the parent company, Hearst Corporation, to buy Esquire to have a "man's version of Cosmo". After that, she was a star over there. Like her father, she was integral to the success of a successful company. It was no mistake that McCann-Erickson was the preeminent advertiser in Cosmo through most of the 80s. "Well, look at this. A bunch of Reagannites sitting around discussing how to make more money. I hate all of you." They looked up to see Gene, a big smile on his face. Tall and dapper like his father, Gene, like Bobby, was more opposite Don than like him. His long hair was pulled into a ponytail and his jeans looked to be vintage 1890. A bright red T-shirt emblazoned with Husker Du was draped across his slender frame. A pair of industrial Doc Martens completed his ensemble. A waif of a girl, wearing a green sun dress and nothing else, held his hand. "Gene, you do make an entrance. Sit, son, tell me what life is like in the Village. And introduce your friend." In true Don Draper style, Sally, Peggy and Gene disappeared when he spoke to the girl in the green dress. "This is Matilda. Matilda, this is my bourgeois elite family. What's left of them anyway." Gene said, taking a seat next to Peggy. He leaned in and gave her a peck on the cheek. "Still single, old lady?" he said to Peggy with a smile. "Better single than accidentally finding someone like you. Didn't you vote for Mondale?" The waiter came and Don ordered for everyone, they were used to that. They knew he would pay as well. Don's legend had only grown since "the Coke ad" and he was made full partner at McCann in 1973. In 1980, after Erickson died, Peggy Rizzo joined him. The food came and with it came conversation. Gene was working at a bodega in the Village, making next to nothing and loving his life. Don had offered to take him in, send him to college, even get him a job, but Gene always refused. It was easy to say Gene was the black sheep of the Drapers, but if asked, Gene would have labeled everyone else sheep. He loved his life. He and Matilda had just recently moved in and were always talking marriage. Well, she was. Gene seemed cool to the idea. As the meal began to wane, so did the enthusiasm they had earlier shared. After a lull in the conversation, Sally reached for her purse. "I need to get back home. Helen will be calling in a few hours to check on my progress. I have to actually show up tomorrow. Ugh." Peggy and Don exchanged a look and Don spoke up. "I have some news. It's rather... important." Sally and Gene looked at their father as he clutched Peggy's hand. "What is it, Dad?" Gene said, leaning forward. And Don spoke.
No praise for me? Mine is being looked at by Paramount to be turned into a major motion picture. Possibly three!
Arkie Proud I have come to associate fan fiction with a certain amount of gratuitous sex which yours was sadly lacking. I did appreciate the fact that you didn't work a dog into the story though.
Been watching this show little by little throughout the summer. In season 5 right now, and Roger and Jane just took LSD at that party. Cheers.
Yeah, really enjoying it so far. Someone I know told me a few weeks ago they thought the show went "down the tubes" after Season 3, I couldn't disagree more (so far).
That's a pretty bad opinion on that show too. Season 4 was great. But yeah definitely don't understand someone saying that with Mad Men
Seasons 4 and 5 were the best of the show, so I would be surprised with someone saying it went downhill after 3.
Yeah you're right. I wouldn't say the show got worse after that, but that was my favorite episode. Also anything with Sally and anything with Lane Price. Loved Lane Price.
The first time I watched Mad Men, I got about halfway through S3 and stopped. When I picked it up again, the end of S3 is what made me go "oh shit this show is bad ass".
http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/watch-peggys-and-petes-last-scene-together.html glad Hamm won, bummer Mad Men didn't. I don't watch GofT so I can't comment I was thinking back to the finale and remembered this scene. Really shows why the show is so good. Comic relief with Harry, amazing acting by Moss, and a subtle way to wrap up 2 character's relationship together... just like in real life, with a short conversation, putting their past behind them. When Pete says "no one has ever told me that before," really shows he has grown up. Then she holds the cactus in from of her stomach... he says it better be alive... This show just nailed it every step of the way
Finished the series (the last 4 episodes, specifically) tonight. I love this show. I'll probably wait until this winter, but I'm going to rewatch all of my favorite episodes at some point in the next few months. I found this article ranking, in the opinions of the people at Hitfix, the best 20 episodes - http://www.hitfix.com/galleries/the-20-best-mad-men-episodes-ever
Still in love with this ending. I felt like I couldn't go on with my life til I knew how Don Draper's story ended. It was perfect
Anyone undertaken a rewatch? I've been watching clips recently because this show is so damn good but it's so heavy and the pacing so slow that I don't know if I could do an entire rewatch.
Yes. I watched the series for the first time all the way through in 2015. Rewatched them all last fall, and it was well worth it. I'll probably wait a few years before going through them all for a third time.
I went down a YouTube rabbit hole last week of Matt Weiner videos talking about the show and his memories. Made me want to do a rematch. I'll make that a goal this summer.
They also had to replace bobby every two seasons it seemed. I never felt that connected to his character.
I've started season one and I'm halfway through. It's really great seeing where Peggy was in the beginning to where she ends up plus a lot more board room presentations earlier on which was my favorite part seeing Don being creative.
These are my favorite scenes of the entire series. I love the very opening scene where he's sitting at the restaurant and he asks the black waiter why he likes smoking. Dude won't really say much but he does say "I love smoking." Don writes it down. "I love smoking. That's good."
I started a couple weeks back, only through 5 eps. Pete and Peggy look so young. I watch an episode and then read the accompanying chapter in this book: