Didn't know that. So that's a pretty important key to the whole "You have to stop 45 min on a road trip to charge vs getting gas in 5-10 min". So you can get to like 15% then charge to 80 in 10-15? Assume that's for most all EVs
I talked to the co-owner/patent holder for the EV Arc (main product that Beam Global (BEEM) sells) yesterday for about an hour. It's a solar canopy that tracks the sun and can be used in parking lots. We were discussing the grid resiliency and he was making it seem like there's a real sense of urgency to get the grid figured out. They're looking at maybe supplementing local power lines/transformers with solar to supplement the system. The problem is most people charge their cars from 6p-6a. He said that they (a bunch of people much smarter than me) are discussing policy changes to encourage people to charge during the day. One way would be to provide EV chargers at businesses so people can charge at work. These chargers are cool because they take up one parking stall, but you can charge 2 or 3 vehicles at each solar charger. This pic has 2 chargers at each. You can also move them around. When hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, these were some of the only things standing in a couple pics that I saw. The ones in the pic below don't look like they track the sun, but the ones I've worked with do. He said that his companies current biggest problem is the ability to ramp up production. He said that they have the biggest backlog theyve ever had and he's stressing because he thinks he's going to get a bunch of orders with the new Infrastructure bill.
That's been my experience at least. The Tesla says to stop and charge for 10-15 mins about every 2 hours on long trips. I am not a fan of driving or being in a car, but I don't mind it in the Tesla near as much bc it takes away a lot of the stress. I've learned to enjoy charging because I get to explore (albeit only 15 mins) random places/cities I've never been to and wouldn't have stopped in if I didn't have to charge.
So my car/experience has been as such: The Mach-E and several other non-teslas as well as older teslas top out at a rate of 150-160kwh charging speed. The newer teslas and higher end non-teslas will go up beyond 300. This also is not constant, but kind of a bell curve. That said: I can charge at the best stations from 15/20-80 in 30-45 depending on conditions. Some stations can’t pump out what the car wants and it’s a little slower. Most Tesla superchargers and cars are faster than this due to more advanced tech. For example, this weekend I went from des moines to MSP for a wedding and faced a headwind on the way up, so I had to make a charging stop. I charged from 12 to 70 in about 45 minutes at an average rate from the charge station of about 70kwh, on a station rated to max out at 125. Typically at Electrify America stations (150 or 350 max) I’ll get speeds up to 160 for at least part of the time and average in the 90s over the session.
https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/fastest-charging-electric-cars/ 5 of the Fastest-Charging Electric Cars So, how should we compare electric car charging times? Given the wide disparity of data available, we have to pick one flawed measurement over another and accept that we’re using unverified manufacturer data. With that in mind, we’ve calculated how fast each electric car’s battery can charge under peak conditions. Spoiler 1. Lucid Air – 20 miles per minute We’re cheating slightly here. The Lucid Air isn’t exactly on the market yet. You can reserve one, but it’s still unknown when (or, for that matter, if) they will reach buyers. With a starting price of $77,400, the Air claims a range of 517 miles and a record charging rate of 20 miles per minute. We’ll believe it when we see it, but we’d be remiss not to report that this is the most extreme claim a manufacturer has made yet. 2. Porsche Taycan – 15.5 miles per minute Porsche’s Taycan Model-S-fighter is capable of a quick surge of charging that will, the manufacturer says, give you 62 miles of range in just four minutes. It won’t charge at that rate indefinitely, but should you find your battery running low, the ability to get another hour’s worth of highway-speed driving in the time it takes to order a cup of coffee is nice. 3. Tesla Model 3 – 15 miles per minute The best-selling electric car in America is also capable of a rapid charge to 80 percent of its battery capacity. The Model 3 holds the Guinness World Record for the fastest charge – three drivers crossed the United Kingdom in a Model 3, stopping just three times to recharge for about half an hour each time. 4. Tesla Model S – 13.3 miles per minute Estimating the charging time of a Model S is challenging because Tesla is constantly improving the vehicle. In the past, the company has even sent out over-the-air software updates that sped up charging time for all Model S owners, enhancing the numbers of years-old cars. The latest Model S Plaid Plus, the company says, can charge an additional 200 miles of range in about 15 minutes of DC fast charging. 5. Nissan Leaf – 12.5 miles per minute Most of the cars on this list are luxurious, sports-car-fast electric vehicles with price tags over $70,000. But the humble Nissan Leaf can nearly keep up with them when it comes to charging. Thanks to its relatively light weight, the Leaf gets more range out of a smaller battery, keeping it in competition with much pricier electric vehicles. Methodology: The above calculations use “miles per minute” to measure the maximum mileage each vehicle can accept in 1 minute from a Level 3 fast charger. These cars will not charge at a constant rate, and each has a battery of a different size, so miles per minute will not tell you how long each vehicle takes to reach full charge. But miles per minute makes a helpful shorthand to help show what you’d be getting into if you were to buy any of these cars.
It's actually not bad b/c I would stop being from constantly getting piss when my wife demands we pull over ever 2 hours for her to use the bathroom. Usually I can go from full to empty pretty easily on longer trips.
They’re typically at a gas station, grocery store, target, or Walmart. Usually other stuff nearby as well. I think Tesla is staring to build new stations with their own amenities.
For the record, we are talking about the displayed range icon on the screen. Not if you use navigation. The navigation will definitely nail it. But cruising around, the displayed range calculation is semi useless.
Correct, the estimated arrival percentage using navigation. To touch on what others are saying. I only really have two drives that I need super chargers for, my drive to the beach and my drive to the mountains. Both drives now have multiple 250 kw super chargers and those things are bad ass. I'll get to one usually about 10% battery and it ramps up within a minute to 250 kwh. It keeps that rate for a while and stays above 150 kwh until like 60%. My last stop was at a sheetz, stopped at about 10% and by the time I went to the bathroom and got a couple drinks I was ready to roll at like 60%, which was enough to get me home.
The biggest hurdle of switching to electric is changing the habit of driving until you're out of fuel and filling up to 100%. With EV's, you only fill up enough to reach your next destination and/or charger. I spent way too much time at the charger when I first got my car. Also, trust the navigation and don't look at the miles to empty or the usage because it will give you anxiety. If it says you'll reach your destination, sit back and relax and slow down if it tells you.
I’ve become a big fan of the road trip stops every couple hours. Take 20 minutes to chill, get a cup of coffee, hit the bathroom, etc. If it’s a longer stop for some reason, then I just watch Netflix or play video games for an extra few minutes before hitting the road. It’s all much more relaxing. It might add a few minutes here and there but idgaf.
I’ve gotten pretty good at keeping an eye on my current mileage and figuring out my remaining range in my head. I don’t rely on my range estimates at all.
Yes. I applied for grants (from the VW diesel fund) in the state of Florida and the only bids that won had bathrooms, ammenities, restaurants, stores, etc. within walking distance and were within 1 mile from the interstate. Here's a good example off of Broward and I95 (Fort Lauderdale, in Broward County). There's an Electrify America and Tesla Supercharger station at this location. There's more restaurants and stores that don't show up because I'm not zoomed in far enough.
I enjoy watching the arrival batttery % (like previously mentioned in this thread) and trying to get there with better mileage. When doing this, I rarely lead the pack and instead follow someone else speeding. I never realized how much energy is wasted on air resistance. I used to do this with Waze and try to beat the arrival time. This just adds an extra twist to the game.
I’m sure one of you brainiacs can duplicate the math my drivers Ed instructor did. Something like going 5 MPH over the speed limit only saves you a 5 minutes over 60 miles. Driving slower doesn’t impact the time of the commute as much as we think. Compound that with getting more mileage means that driving slow is cool!
The electric/power grid will not be able to expand as quickly as the EV market will and this will be a big cluster f**k in the making. Texas may be able to offer suggestions?
Would be super tight if the government could properly fund money into this issue since it's beyond obvious this will be a problem sooner or later. No shot I'm sure.
Nation: Hey Texas, any advice on how to prepare the national grid for a future of climate change and electric vehicle reliance? Texas: ban illegals and abortions! Nation: thanks
I've got joint custody with my 7 year old and I put around 600 interstate miles every other weekend and even more than that in the summer. Ended up putting on about 25,000 miles the past year. I bought a Camaro last year for these drives but want to get a Tesla with autopilot being a big part of the reason. Can someone ELI5 the tax credit thing? When would be the time to buy? Is that only for new EV's and not used?
It's only on new and there's no credit for this year. I'm not sure what/how much, but it should be in affect next year.
Ok, so hear me out. If we ban all immigration they can’t use electricity. Banning abortions means that they won’t be taxing the power grid with their baby suckers, then we use those kids to build more power infrastructure.
Knowing just this little bit about your situation, I’d say looking at a model 3 a few years old could be really good. There’s a lot coming out about the 500k milers from fleets holding up surprisingly well.
I wasn't even going to say anything, but all this talk about enjoying the longer stops, taking a walk around town, etc. had me thinking, "Boy. These guys must have never stopped at The Boondocks in Williams, Iowa." Exit 144, you drove right past it! It would drive me crazy adding all that time into a road trip. Maybe I'd get used to it. But a fun game I used to play was trying to see if I could get from Minnesota to Missouri without stopping. All-EV Cannonball Run should be interesting.
We're talking about stopping for 15 mins on a 4 hour trip. I can sit in the same spot for hours if I'm playing video games, but if I'm in a car, I need to move around every couple hours.
We need to invest into a mobile charging "wrecker" for the inevitable people who will try and stretch it like a gas car.
They shut down reservations for the F150. Ordering is projected for January. Not sure if I’ll do it or not, but decison time is getting closer.
If you can afford the $500 might as well place the order as long as it is refundable like Mach-E was.
Is that how it worked? Little down payment then you aren’t on the hook till you receive it? I’ve mainly stayed away from speculation on the process and just waited for the official explanation.