Yeah it’s pretty clear they don’t give a shit about them, or any other marginalized group across the world, dying. Why would they? They don’t have a sizable/consistent voting bloc or the money that pro-Israel lobbying groups have. Maybe it’s the cynic in me, but that’s really all that matters to politicians in the end
Biden is supposed to give a commencement speech at Morehouse in a few days and it's likely not going to go well.
fwiw i fully plan to protest at the dnc i’ve been seeing flyers around town and hopefully we get enough turn out to really disrupt (legally and within our constitutionally protected rights)
Uvalde chants are an auto-W. question: what does it mean when we talk about "liberated zones" at this campus protests?
I'm sure the majority of students are thankful that finals are here and they can GTFO for a few weeks. ongoing protests can be taxing enough, then you have counter-protestors and frat bros showing their ass. miserable.
It's certainly bringing down the level of discourse on Shitty AMC Show of thousands of innocent palestinians
I’m replying here without reading the rest of the thread, so apologies if this has been asked. Is there data (actual data, not feels) on this? Are anti-Israel democrats the majority or vocal minority? I’m assuming Biden is both sidesing the issue in part because a large part of his base is pro-Israel (not necessarily anti-Palestine). I understand that most right wingers are pro-Israel/anti-Palestine, but I assume there are a ton of pro-Israel democrats as well, and he is playing a numbers game. What does the data (if it exists) say?
disgusting if anyone actually cared about “being on the right side of history “ they might do some self reflection. The US has almost always been on the wrong side yet they continue to do the same shit over and over again. I love my school but this is fucked up beyond words.
For younger Dem voters they overwhelming disapprove of Biden's handling, for all Dem voters is starting to shift now where the majority (~55-60%) disagree with his handling.
What property damage occurred by pro-Palestinian protestors? A couple of windows broken? Biden equating that as if it was buildings being burned down sucks shit and is disheartening. Complaining that protestors were "destroying property" in any real way is a right-wing talking point.
this is weird framing. clearly the pro-Palestinian protestors vandalized public property. I don't give a shit. but seemingly most people do. I guess most people don't like the idea of people graffitiing school buildings. I'm sure most people on TMB don't care about stuff you can probably power wash off a building. But that's not how the world works. Our country is full of morons and those morons vote.
The counter-protestors did FAR more physical damage to the bodies of these protestors and the president complaining about some spray paint a couple of broken windows is ceding the ground to right-wingers disingenuous framing. This was far more peaceful than even apartheid protests in the 80s. Any Democrat worried about polling about damage right now likely lost their minds during the summer of 2020.
Two things: (1) First, I didn't make a comparison. You did. I already said I don't give a shit about vandalizing some building for a righteous cause, and police brutality is much more important. But the reality is that it matters to a significant voting block and it is undeniable that students vandalized campuses during these protests. (2) regarding 2020, Biden said we should prosecute the anarchists and antagonists during the George Floyd protests and his polling went up. People like when a President sticks up for property in this situation, for whatever dumb reason.
Don’t blame Biden on this. Blame cops and asshats like Eric Adams for painting this picture. It’s not like Biden is there and instead we have to rely on local cops who, as we know, are wildly unreliable and loving this way too much.
My problem is that Biden, and others, are trying to invalidate the protests as a whole due to bad behavior of a few people.
Do you truly believe that being asked "is it good to destroy stuff" means voters disagree with the protests at the same clip? That poll was conducted before the Hamas attack in October. Also If you're going to post polling numbers as if it's indicative of anything then I'm going to share this that shows a clear trend that voters continue to disapprove of his handling. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-israel-gaza-poll-cbs-news/
I don’t agree with breaking up protests but if you thought the colleges were just going to let people camp in their oldest and most famous buildings and risk a catastrophic fire etc you’re crazy. It’s not a few broken windows
And yet a few colleges very easily got the protests to stop once they met with students and agreed to some half-assed vote on divestment in the future.
that's how these protests always go. unfortunately, nationwide protests like this get unwieldy because shit might get out of hand in NYC in a way it isn't at protests in Atlanta or LA, but it gets painted as one unified protest. I'm sure Biden knows this, but he also knows that if he comes out soft against the protests that it will further hurt his popularity
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...ed how the framing,hold hostages and run Gaza.' https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/israel-palestine-hamas-war-colleges-polling-march-2024 47% of voters say colleges should prohibit anti-Gaza war demonstrations
Oh giving into the demands of people breaking into your building makes them stop, I wonder if they thought of this
lmao at Brown University almost certainly going to vote to NOT divest is giving into demands, that was all the students got and they backed down.
this was Biden in June 2020 during George Floyd Protests, sound familiar? this man is a both sides machine: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/politics/biden-philadelphia-transcript/index.html No place for looting or destroying property or burning churches, or destroying businesses — many of them built by people of color who for the first time were beginning to realize their dreams and build wealth for their families. Nor is it acceptable for our police — sworn to protect and serve all people — to escalate tensions or resort to excessive violence. We need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest — and opportunistic violent destruction.
Are you saying the protestors would commit arson or the protestors are at risk if a fire were to occur?
Unintentional fire, to be clear. Whether it be cigs, a joint, literal campfire to make food, whatever. They’re not going to risk the liability to the building or the people therein. Not to mention any possibility of protestors sneaking weapons in (obviously not to that point yet). The cops are going to get called to come in every time unless the college is willing to give in to the demands which they’re not, can’t alienate the donors
let's definitely lose sight of the extremely popular labor measures he has moved forward this year and instead act like college protests in April are going to swing the November election while running against someone who would be begging police to gas these students.
so the difference between Biden & Trump is that Trump would beg police to do this while Biden is content watching and giving permission from the sidelines? not sure that's the argument that's going to convince anyone
you are right, there are no differences between the two. And how Biden responds to these campus protests in April are definitely what will swing the election six months from now, not the economy.