Biden is supposed to address the nation tomorrow night at 8pm regarding Israel and Russia. Bibbi is telling everyone that will listen that Biden has given the "green light" on a ground invasion of Gaza. That's all I've got for now.
Fox News is in a complete media blitz saying palestinians == hamas as i type, the implication being Israel should be allowed to murder everyone indiscriminately
The smart guy in the suit said in an election 20 years ago, palestine voted 65% for Hamas, so, you know....most of those voters are dead now (weird!).
Fox News entire media model is to paint people of color as animals deserving of murder so none of this is surprising
There’s a video of a little Palestinian boy trying to hold it together in a hospital and then just losing it as he’s hugged by a doctor. Couldn’t be older than 3. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Enough with the goddamned bombs.
I uh I dont recall ISIS and Hamas being the same thing. Or them even liking each other. Didnt ISIS suicide bomb Hamas?
None moved. Making an observation about you. Israel are worse is an interesting one alright. The sheer denial of what Hamas are on here from some posters is fucked up. It has to be an elaborate over compensation.
Im wasting my time with this, but yes, I expect better humanitarianism/decisions from Israel than I do a terrorist organization(that Bibi helped create). glimmer said it best I haven’t once stated that what Hamas did was ok or acceptable. They’re awful. That doesn’t make what Israel did in response/before it acceptable or alright.
This is absolute nonsense - just an opportunity for some performative moral virility. Hamas were founded in the late 1980s with the aim of wiping Zionists off the map. They did not want any secular Palestine and openly despised Jews. Their MO for years was suicide bombs. Once in charge of Gaza, they governed with an iron fist. Are Hamas as bad as Islamic State? Probably not, but we also don’t know because of how Israel imposes an open air prison on the land they control. Hamas mildly changed their constitution a few years ago but the central tenants remained. Nations states should he held to a high standard and Israel falls far below what self respecting ones do- no question. But it is frankly laughable that people would sit there going apeshit over the beheaded and raped women suggestions in the fog of war but straight away will fall in line on the hospital bombing.
No no, to be clear. What you said was the below. This is fucking nonsense and embarrassing to write. Going around demanding the highest of highest of journalistic standards for Hamas and not believing them when they report it (even wrongly), but then the next day squealing that the media misled you when you’re perfectly capable of not believing them when it suits. I’ll repeat, I thought Israel likely bombed the hospital. They had made noises about it and they are frankly appalling. But I also would not be surprised at all at horrific human rights violations by Hamas given their track record. Here’s another line from the coroners descriptions of what they did to Thai farmers. Hamas are still denying harming civilians, let along targeting them.
Hamas’ stated goals and methods are significantly worse than Israel. I think that’s undeniable. The results of Israel’s tactics (civilian deaths) are orders of magnitude worse than Hamas’. When assessing relative harm, I tend to place far more importance on actual deaths.
Sure, but you're comparing a political party and militia (Hamas) with a country (Israel) instead of the current Far Right that's been running Israel for 20 years. Like, there's not much wiggle room between Hamas' stated goals and methods and the Dahiya Doctine (which is basically "kill 'em all")
I’m not assessing that relativity point. That’s seperate. The point was the bar people place for believing the two actions. I believed Israel were capable of bombing that hospital because 1) they said they might do it 2) they ordered an evacuation of it 3) their track record in Gaza 4) the anger of the population following the Hamas attacks such that retribution is a big goal and 5) the frankly racist comments about Palestinians and how much their lives are worth from far too many people in Israel. I could also believe Hamas did that based on 1) their ideology, from jihad to the attitudes to Zionists 2) members completely radicalised by Israel treating them like dirt for decades and 3) their past actions 4) a window of opportunity they’ve never really had There were logical reasons why both would not do it (Israel bombing the night before Biden visiting seems moronic, even a monster would have to stop themselves before carving up a baby) but there were logical reasons to believe both.
I know your heart broke the rockets get shot down and the closing of the crossings have made the regular suicide attacks that happened all during the 90’s and late 2000’s become almost non existent.
Yes there is. And it is fucking disgusting and vile. Why are you engaging in whataboutery though? How can anyone sit there and honestly say that moral people who are happy to murder parents in front of their children are going to get more leeway in the believability stakes when we are talking about speculated other heinous crimes? Outside people of the Jewish or Islamic faith, I do not understand how people can think either way given what we have seen from the actors in this conflict for decades. This is the pits of human behaviour all the way around.
fucking hell people. there are evil murderers on both sides of the boarder. fanatics of every stripe should be condemned. this isn't hard
Yeah, I don't know what school of Israeli propaganda you studied in, but if it is a prerequisite to discuss the war crimes afoot-- I *condemn* Hamas. I am *not* interested in a right-wing theocracy. I do *not* support their stated goals. But as glimmer and Andy Reocho and like half this thread has said to your disingenuous ass over and over for the past week, comparing a reactionary militia to a settler-colonial apartheid state is really weird and seems like you have an agenda. I didn't vote for Hamas. My government doesn't bend over backwards to fund them. Israel, on the other hand, a legitimate state, gets tons of money and materiel from my country. My elected officials kiss the ring of whatever murderous tyrant is running the show over there. That makes it concerning to me in a way that is fundamentally different than a Palestinian militia. I *can* condemn Hamas without fear of losing my job, unlike Israel. Show the map of what constitutes Palestinian territory. Show the militarized borders surrounding a large-scale open-air prison. Then ask yourself what the extremist reactionary militia is reacting to. Or just fuck off.
Them's the breaks when foreign governments carve out new countries. Sorry the settler-colony had a domestic population?
Except the forces working for the destruction of Israel 1) aren’t from the Palestine territory and 2) don’t give a fuck about the Palestinian people. How long does a country have to exist for before they’re no longer fair game to be destroyed?
Oh so you're shifting the conversation completely. Cool. The discussion at hand is Israel's war crimes in Gaza. HTH.