Have people who say they don’t have the time or the money to exercise tried planking during tv timeouts?
I feel like parents allowing their kids to get like that amounts to child abuse. I reserve the right to amend my views based on the replies to this post
I get the sentiment, but like the whole discussion, it’s complicated. Often poor people rely on family members/friends for child care while they’re working, and then schools don’t provide a good basis for weight loss.
so much billionaire propaganda and privilege in one post. But, seriously this reeks of upper middle class privilege.
Usually stems from the parent's diet in my admittedly limited experience. If unhealthy things are consumed by the parents/in the house then the kids will eat it too.. It's really difficult to demand a child eats right when the parents aren't willing/able to do it.
I agree. I don't know that the parents do either. I'm not going to sit in judgement of someone else's situation tbh
okay here goes nothing. Like I said my wife and I were too young to have kids. I mean high school young. So when we had our first two kids I worked low paying job and she was a stay at home mom. We both also went to school. Because, we barely made it we received public assistance. This obviously included food stamps. We didn’t have any extra money to spend on luxuries but we did get enough food stamps to sometime splurge. So we’d buy extra shit that wasn’t extremely healthy. I think it was the guilt shame that we couldn’t buy them everything we wanted so we’d express our love through food. My kids never got too big because we’re an extremely active couple and were somewhat educated on nutrition. My wife being a stay home also allowed us to have more home cooked meals than we wouldn’t have if she had to work too. It is really easy to cook unhealthy high density (starchy) foods that would pack on the pounds. Frozen dinners, cup of noodles breads etc fill you up more and are much cheaper and easier to prepare. I think if you’ve never been a poor adult you should stay away from demonizing the poor for doing what they have to do to survive. Obviously I don’t me you redav but the royal in general “you”.
Google epigenetics of metabolic syndrome, you sweet summer children who think weight is merely, or even largely, a matter of food choices.
Seriously, just endless back and forth itt about caloric restriction and exercise. If it's 1992 again here suddenly, then why does Nebraska suck? Why do you think wegovy works so well? Why does diet/exercise advice so completely not? Because turns out there are hard-wired, neuroendocrine mechanisms that predetermine appetite, satiety, metabolism, etc at the level of the hypothalamus. These equilibria are set very early in life, often well before birth. And there is no changing them thereafter. GLP-1 agonists like wegovy, and roux-en-Y surgery alter the way the pancreas signals satiety to the hypothalamus. What you'll hear most from people who have benefitted from these therapies is that they experience far less "food chatter." Anyone who struggles with weight understands that concept. Happens because the increased gut-brain signaling means your hypothalamus isn't constantly telling you you're starving. I've got a little peppery tone about this because this bullshit about weight being a simple consequence of choices is incredibly backward. Like, "homosexuality is a choice" backward. Can't tell you how many patients I deal with daily who dread coming to the clinic because they think yet another person is gonna deliver a shame-filled message that they just need to make better choices. Or worse yet, that they're making their kid fat. So, so many babies that are sailing way above the growth chart while their parents have already tried EVERYTHING to make a dent. Bruce Wayne if you're looking for someone to blame, make it General Mills and then stop talking
Processed sugar being in almost everything is a big problem systemically. Somehow we need to get people more educated on what they eat but people can also generally make better choices. Anyone (myself included) buying a box of zebra cakes knows better.
I guess the fat shamers we have will slowly disappear from this thread and not take in the information but instead just keep being an asshole to people with weight problems. Not that they ever made any substantive posts to begin with.
They tried to feed kids better food in school and people got mad about it and wanted them to eat more shitty things. Americans and food are fucked up.
I say all this as when I was a kid I got my OshKosh’s in the husky section. My mom would have to hem the bottom of them because my legs weren’t long enough for the waist size.
The same types of people pushed back on tobacco regulations. "PeOpLe ShOuLd HaVe SoMe PeRsOnAl AcCoUnTaBiLiTy." Well there was a national program put in place by the government and oh gosh tobacco use plummeted.
Something like a nutrition class in high schools would be great, imo. Which that might be a thing in certain areas, but definitely wasn’t in rural SC public schools and assuming not in the rural area public schools in the south as a whole.
I remember them teaching the food pyramid but that shit didn’t sink in when they serving square pizza, fries, and brownies at lunch. What you want me to do not eat all of it and try and bribe other people to give me theirs for a gummy pencil grip?
Wasn't for us either. When I hit my 30s and had to start watching what I ate, I basically had no idea what calories were
Meanwhile, in reality, whole milk is healthier and people who eat ice cream live longer. Every discipline cringes a bit at what they preached in the 90s, but I can't fathom how nutritionists were preaching, like, the perfect opposite of everything that is true so consistently for an entire decade. ok doctors were wrong about some stuff back then, but doctors in the 90s still *generally* helped people. Nutritionists did nothing but make people so much fatter and unhealthy.
90s doctors: "Make sure to drink some alcohol. A moderate amount is very good for you!" Every cell in your body: "lol what please no"
Take all your drinking nights and turn them into ice cream nights and thank me in 45 years. Goin out to throw back a few very cold ones with the boys tonight
Pretty good read on the matter. It's really weird Am I telling patients struggling weekly weight to eat more ice cream? Of fucking course not. But this is a just a pretty weirdly durable finding in nutrition science. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cream-bad-for-you-health-study/673487/
i genuinely dont think most people understand how game changing the glp-1 agonists could be if they become broadly available even for things like drug or alcohol addiction we're just scratching the surface
Yeah we've been stumbling over unexpectedly great outcomes with these drugs for over a decade now. Early on: Hey look these drugs do a good job reducing blood sugars and A1c 4 years later: ...and they're legit reducing cardiovascular morbidity and mortality? 5 years later:... and everyone's losing 10% of their body weight? This year:... and not drinking anymore? I'm not sure a novel class of medication has ever outperformed expectations like this. Put it in the water supply. "But pop culture!"
just to be clear, your position is a person bears zero responsibility in their own well being/health?
A lot of people are incapable because of a number of factors, yeah. It's been beaten to death in this thread whether it's socioeconomic or genetic. I see that you don't actually engage with the facts people post but just nibble around the edges with vague shit like "responsibility" that means nothing
I'm at the core of the argument, you're on the fringe. You are pushing advancements in medicine/supplements, etc. I'm not arguing that people can help their genetics or that their bodies respond to diets/training the same. I'm asking you if people believe they are genetically pre-disposed to struggling with their weight should they quit and believe there is nothing they can do personally to help mitigate the matter?
Yelling personal responsibility so I can continue to judge societal trends as failures of the individual.
You're asking the same thing over and over because you're not getting the answer you want. There are economic and physiological factors that can severely limit people's ability to control it. Idk how many different ways it can be said
Obesity truthers like junior always think it should be a requirement that people that are overweight should be actively dedicating their lives to lose weight. Let them (us) live however they (we) want
I'm asking in their ability to believe. No outside factors. I agree with you that there are constraints on all of us bc of factors we can't control. But your mindset and belief are in your control. I am arguing that I believe people would be better off, even if everything is stacked against them, to do everything in their power, under their control, to make the most of their life.
Serious question here - does it work well? That's the drug weight watchers pivoted to pushing right? Really curious if that was just the new fad diet crap or a legit solution.