To be fair to Merica, I misunderstood him and thought that's what he was talking about. He never said it. Also to be fair to Merica, I asked him like 10 times to define what he was talking about and he did a shitty job.
I mean, sexual arousal doesn't equal consent. So, coming from Merica's perspective, you suggesting that the penetration is the be all end all just adds to the idea that rape can only go one way. If we're trying to combat "rape culture" you're post just furthers it by saying men are the sole aggressors (meaning we're viewing all the women as prey). And along with consent and the act itself, there is a force/resistance component as well. Sure, penetration can be forceable, but it doesn't have to be for it to be rape. The insertion could be totally consensual until a certain point and then penetration is no longer your threshold.
this is also inaccurate. i'm in love and just waiting for a nice rainy day sunday to go through TMB and clear my posting history in the tinder thread
In college I dated a girl and broke it off with her. I saw her at a party a few months later and she made it known she wanted to have sex with me and I told her it wasn't happening because I had just started seeing another girl. At the party I got so drunk I remember throwing up in the bathroom and her coming in and telling everyone she would take care of me the rest of the night. She took me into a room and got me hard enough to get on top of me although not a ton really happened because I was too drunk. I literally said "No, I don't want to do this." The next day she asked if I was mad and I told her I was and to leave me alone and she better not tell anyone because I didn't want the other girl to find out. I didn't feel violated because I had hooked up with her before but I did worry that people would tell the girl I was with that I had had sex with her. That's rape.
One time I woke up after getting hammered drunk being fucked by a girl I had never hooked up with before. Once I realized what was going on I kept fucking her, was quite awesome. I imagine if it wasn't someone I wanted to fuck anyway I would have had a different reaction. This really adds nothing to the conversation, but now y'all know I got some pussy that one time!!!
Yea we thought you had gotten some pussy that one time too until you stated her tits felt like bags of sand.
I've seen wildebeests do everything they can to hop on dudes at parties. In particular I had a friend who some girl had wanted for a long time but she was ugly as has been known to happen. At a party one evening he was hammered and she was trying to get this dude into it and he was mostly trying and failing to resist.
I will admit that I am fully and completely unconcerned with female rape culture against men to the extent it even exists. On the list of problems in the world, I think it's somewhere between a small pebble in your sock and determining the proper temperature for vests. I want to marry this quote: I 1000000% agree with you that there are a variety of factors, including societal pressure, that contribute to consent. Which is why it's a really bad idea to have sex with somebody who is tremendously inebriated and of whose consent you're not certain. Finally, I still don't understand how treating men as the problem with rape and attempting to teach them about consent causes more rapes (assuming you believe that rape culture creates more rape).
I agree. See, you overcame the rebuttable presumption. On the other hand, that makes this post like 10 times creepier:
Man I thought that supple piece was a little younger than that. But I take it you see the point I was trying to make.
I have also had sex while blackout with women who could not consent as they were also blackout. We both asked each other if we had sex the next day. If i'm not mistaken at that moment that young lady gets to determine if I raped her or if we drunkenly hooked up. I consider myself lucky.
Why is he responsible in that instance? If they're equally hammered, how is each not equally at fault? This seems to take all responsibility away from one party (both parties, really) and place it onto the other party, no?
If I am not mistaken rape implies sexual penetration. So while i might regret banging a fat hairy pig like bertwing since he is the bottom I am not being raped just hitting rock bottom
Worked with a girl in college that once bragged about sticking her little finger in a guy's dickhole.
Yeah, you do need to definitely make sure that the consent continues throughout the sex. It's possible to have consensual sex while intoxicated, but if you're not absolutely certain that you have consent or prepared to bet your freedom on it, it's probably smart to just go home and watch porn.
I get practically it is wise to not engage in coitus whilst blackout drunk to avoid these possible scenarios. Also drunks don't make good decisions. However, there's literally no other area of life where "I was drunk" is an acceptable excuse for a certain behavior.
I understand what you are saying. I think it is about as likely to stop men and women from having sex in college as encouraging them to be abstinent.
I'll give you a non-pc and controversial answer. Because approximately 99% of the rapes out there are perpetrated by men, and any other suggested outcome would have horrifying consequences.
I didn't say that. I say painting men as predators isn't doing anything but perpetuating rape culture. It still puts men above women, and the whole predator/prey thing just continues to confuse the situation. In nature it's a the circle of life, in humans and in this scenario, sex, we should be striving for equality, not continuing to put one sex above the other, just because one does the penetrating. More comprehensive sex education for everyone would be a good start, including a focus on consent. That would definitely be geared more towards men, but it's certainly important for women to know as well. I'm not trying to ignore that men do most the raping. I'm just saying the whole predator verbiage sort of undermines the argument, for me. Undermine is probably a little strong, but it's off-putting considering the end goal.
I think your assessment is the juice is worth the cultural squeeze in this instance, having read your previous posts. I happen to disagree because if either of those blackout people were to, say, drive a vehicle in that state, the police wouldn't give a shit that they didn't know what they were doing.
That's pretty depressing. I don't think getting consent is as outlandish as many others on this board.
question for a friend. . . if you just eat a girl out and she says no is that rape? if a chick sucks you off and you say no. . . is that rape?