Spoiler I just think we are going to get some reveals in JL1 that explain some of the more head scratching parts of BvS. Especially with Lex. I also don't think we see an evil Superman on Earth. The entire point of his death in BvS is for the world to finally trust him. All that would be thrown out the window if he goes on a rampage on Earth. But a corrupted (momentarily) Superman on Apokolips fighting the rest of the JL? Yeah, I could see that happening. [\spoiler]
Spoiler having Supes die was a retarded decision all around anyway, the regular joe in the DCEU will just think Supes faked his death to buy sympathy and go back to hating him again, and the irl audience aren't dumb enough to buy him dying since they've been beating us over the head with Justice League stuff, resurrecting Supes is just another another waste of 20 mins in the next film
Spoiler Spoiler I assumed Lex was just mad as shit at Batman for coming into his house and taking shit that belonged to him. He wasn't trying to kill Superman, he was attempting to use him as a pawn to kill Batman. Everything was going the way he wanted and Batman just up and stole the Kryptonite and sent him over the edge in anger. He wanted Superman to kill Batman so he could retrieve the Kryptonite and put his plan back into play. Lex had no intention of releasing Doomsday until he knew he was caught and it was over.
Spoiler But Luthor basically says he actually wanted Batman to kill Superman. There's that whole monologue about how "if man can't kill God then I'll create a devil," or some paraphrased version. [\spoiler]
I just got back from my 2nd viewing. I think this movie will be looked upon more favorably as time goes by. It wasn't perfect, but no movie is or ever will be.
Spoiler If they go the comics route then Superman never actually died, his body just went into a deep hibernation while he healed.
Spoiler Not really. He threw a bunch of religious rhetoric around and alluded to his dad beating him. Nothing that really explained the level of hatred for Superman.
always been more of a marvel guy besides Nolan's trilogy but just got back from BvS and thought it was fantastic, blew Ultron away, my 13 year old son loved it as well...full theater and the place exploded with cheers at several scenes...no idea what those critics are thinking
Spoiler which is retarded, there are some things you can pull off in the comics that just can't pass the smell test in this day and age of comic book movies, retarded shit like the "disguise" Clark Kent uses to hide the fact he's Supes and how every background commoner will buy the story that Superman didn't fake his death
Having not read any reviews about the movie before going in, I would give it a 6/10. Spoiler Things of note: Ben Afflec played the character very well, I like a batman that fucks everything up. I wasn't under the impression that Luthor was insane, but that's what they seemed to be going for Superman can't act Louis was a useless damsel in distress Batman being convinced to be best friends with superman seconds after trying to kill him was dumb More Wonder Woman Bruce Wayne levitating up the well? What the fuck? Seriously? That's all I got for now. The more I think about it, the shittier this movie seems. I blame 90% of it on the lazy writing and overly ambitious directing.
6.5/10 I seriously can't get over how bad Luthor was Spoiler When Luthor was staring out of his cell and humming weird shit everybody in the movie theater was laughing. Laughing at not with
I'm still not on board with Ezra Miller as Flash. He's my favorite DC character outside the Batman family, and I just feel like I'm not going to like his portrayal. Especially since I love Grant Gustin in the role on TV. Spoiler I did really like the glimpse we saw of his suit during the time travel/vision sequence. [\spoiler]
It was fun to me. Zuckerberg was my favorite part of the movie. And Lois sucked. Spoiler I was not impressed with Flash or Aquaman, but I need moar Cyborg now!
Guys, the story in this thing was straight awful. Worse than that, though, is that most of the movie was just boring. Maybe that's because I couldn't get invested in any of the characters because their story motivations either didn't make sense or were just silly. They need to get Snyder far away from this franchise. They probably need to get it far away from WB in general, but that's not happening. I did like Wonder Woman's theme song.
I mean, I thought the character portrayals were the best part of the film. For example, Batfleck CERTAINLY grows as a character if you truly watch his progression throughout the film. I also enjoyed it quite a bit overall. So RT tells me I am in the minority among critics, which is fine with me.
I was never gonna see this movie as soon as I saw the words Zack Snyder attached. The DC guys are really hurting themselves letting him murder tale after tale from them. Hopefully Ayers cleans this mess up
I was never gonna see this movie as soon as I saw the words Zack Snyder attached. The DC guys are really hurting themselves letting him murder tale after tale from them. Hopefully Ayers cleans this mess up
A guy in my theater yelled out "they fucked it up again" as soon as Spoiler superman died He got a few chuckles and claps.
What really needs to happen is for WB/DC to get Geoff Johns more involved in these movies. The Snyder/Terrio team up for JL1 & 2 has sucked all the momentum from those movies already and neither of them have even started filming yet.
I thought Afflec nailed batman, even if the story and writing was shitty at times. My worries about this movie were misplaced in his role of batman, I never even considered that the writers and Snyder would fuck it up.
I don't understand how after 300, the watchmen and sucker punch anyone wouldn't be apprehensive about anything Snyder does. I mean, I get it, he's a comic book guy, but his attempts at making stop motion comics have yet to yield a solid film imo. The true "good" comic book films are the ones that pay homage to the source material, while providing a quality film experience. ZS and his hard on for trying to recreate the page to film is just not working.
OK I just woke up after leaving the late showing. Spoiler The flashbacks and dream worlds got a little excessive. I am worried about Batman's relevance in fights against intergalatic beings going forward. His abilities are at least on par with Captain America, and the avengers movies do a good job of keeping the Captain busy and kicking ass in those types of battles. That mega, ironman-like suit was a good start, if only for meaning that Batman can take and dish out superhuman punishment. Supes and Batman going from mortal enemies to besties in a single bound? lol Wonder Woman was smoking hot. I like her Some of the storytelling was particularly lazy, like wonder woman photos happening to be on the lex luthor hard drive... This movie was trying to do everything, like other folks said. How did luthor know who batman was? who superman was? Who superman's mom was and where she lived? The fight with doomsday @ the end was a little too epic. zomg lasers electricity flashes thunder explosions sparks...we get it snyder When superman took that nuke in space and was physically destroyed...was it the rays of the non-atmospherically diluted sun that healed him? I'm probably one of the 55 people on the planet who thought man of steel was a great movie. Really liked Snyder's ability to direct it. His artistic skill and his slow motion, artful panning of the camera across faces and landscapes. But. But this dude needs to get the hell away from this franchise. They gotta get a real, plot pacing director and let him have at it. All options are on the table. Marvel execs are probably giddy over how much this movie was messed up. Since Nolan is much too cool for justice league, they need to let the upcoming world-building movies before justice league be tryouts. Give 2-3 directors chances to put movies together and roll with the winner sit on my face, gal gadot
Knightmare Theory + Upcoming Justice League Plot Theory Spoiler Warning Spoiler If you’ve seen Batman v Superman this past weekend then, like me, you most likely had many more questions than answers about the future of the DC Universe. Ever since I saw the early showings Thursday night, something about the Knightmare Sequence was troubling me. I had to see it again, but now I’ve worked out all the flaws in my theory. HERE IS YOUR SECOND SPOILER WARNING. Let me start off by addressing the criticism that this particular sequence has gotten. I’ve seen many reviews saying that this really felt out of place, and that the Flash’s reveal here seemed shoehorned. Now to the laymen, this might seem the case. Unfortunately, that became a reoccurring theme (that you needed a strong prior index of DC knowledge going in). But have no fear, this sequence was perfectly placed in the movie. Hear me out, and I think you might agree. In the Knightmare sequence, we see a war-torn environment not too far off from the world we see in such nuclear apocalyptic games such as Fallout New Vegas or settings like the Book of Eli: basically a big desert waste land with deteriorating buildings from what one can only assume is the remainder of Gotham or Metropolis. Right off the bat (pun intended), we see the Omega Symbol. This little tidbit didn’t come as too much of a surprise, because the still image was released before the movie’s debut. However, it comes to play a very important role in this theory. Next we see Batman, who at this point has become a hardened killer (because really what’s the point of a no kill rule when everybody’s already dead) come up to inspect a semi-truck load with who can only be assumed to be the Sons of Batman, or at the least background characters meant to mirror them. There’s a box in the back of the truck which opens up to reveal a glowing green light and the audience thinks “oh okay, it’s kryptonite” right around the time you realize it was all a set up. Cue the Sons of Superman coming in fighting alongside Parademons from Apokolips (oh yes, that is definitely what they are). They basically murder the Sons of Batman and capture Batman. The next part of the sequence is Batman being chained up, Superman personally executing the remaining Sons of Batman, and then murdering the Bat himself. Cue one of the most important scenes for the Justice League and the foundation of this theory.A rift opens up in time and space in front of him in the Batcave, waking Bruce from the dream (of sorts), and the Flash makes an appearance. “BRUCE!” he screams, halfway through the portal/halfway still in “LISTEN TO ME RIGHT NOW! IT’S LOIS! LOIS LANE! SHE’S THE KEY!”. Then his voice begins to falter. But still yelling he cries, “AM I TOO SOON? TOO SOON. YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT HIM; YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT HIM. FEAR HIM! FEAR HIM AND FIND US YOU HAVE TO FIND US BRUCE!”. Then with a loud crack as suddenly as he appeared, he vanishes into the portal, and Bruce wakes up at his desk for a second time. Now the viewer is left stunned, not knowing how much of what Bruce just saw was real or a dream. I’m about to explain the theory, but there’s still some other parts of the movie that we need to briefly address. At one point during the Doomsday fight, WonderWoman said she has “fought monsters before”. If you read into Thymescira, the Island of the Amazons, it’s no secret they know all about the Gods of New Genesis (suffice to say for now that this means she’s in the know about a certain someone this theory revolves around). At the end of the movie, Lex Luthor is trying to convey to Batman that something is in motion, and it is already too late for the world. He keeps talking about the announcement of Superman’s death, and how it has reached the other important beings in space now that there is no one left to protect Earth from whatever it is that’s coming. When Cyborg is revealed in this film we see a MotherBox form into his tech, bringing him alive. At this point you probably see where I’m going with this if you know about some iterations of the Justice Leagues formation, particularly in the Animated Films. But, here is the Knightmare Theory in full. What we saw in Bruce’s Knightmare was NOT a dream sequence that symbolized his internal fear of what Superman will become if left unchecked; rather, Bruce Wayne himself mistakes the sequence for this at the time. What were actually occurring were Bruce’s memories from a parallel timeline collapsing in on themselves, similar to the seizures the Flash experiences in the story Flashpoint. The reason why Superman was fighting alongside Parademons, why we see an omega symbol burned into the earth, and why they showed us a MotherBox in cyborg's sequence was to foreshadow the coming of Darksied. Darksied, for those who don’t follow the comics, is a demi-God ruler of a hellish planet (and I mean that very literally) whose power level frequently goes well above Superman's. His ultimate goal is to control the universe. To accomplish this he seeks out planets with life and invades them with devices called MotherBoxes, technology that among other things allows intergalactic travel instantaneously. He terraforms and/or destroys the planet, steals its resources for himself, captures every living thing, and organically changes it on a molecular scale into monsters called Parademons. Parademons serve and die for him. Then he uses parademons to invade the next planet. He also gains followers who he does not turn into monsters by using an Anti-Life Equation; something that works with a similar property to a magic possession spell, that when exposed to forces you to serve Darksied. If that doesn’t give you an idea of how bad news this guy is, let me just say that the only time the Justice League in comics have ever actually defeated him (instead of just sending him back to where he came from), it ripped apart time and space while collapsing reality in an event called Final Crisis. The coming of Darksied was actually what Bruce was seeing in the Knightmare sequence. The reason Superman was acting the way he was is because Darksied sees the Man of Steel as too strong of an asset to simply kill. Rather, he wants to use the Anti-Life equation to force Superman to work for him. This is what has happened in the Knightmare sequence. Superman has either by choice or by force been made to work for Darksied. When the Flash appears to Bruce, he is not warning Bruce about an out of control Superman; he is warning him about Darksied. He says Lois Lane is the key, which she hardly was in this movie, and that Bruce should “fear him”. One of the most critical pieces of evidence for this theory we receive is Flash asks if he’s “too soon”. He was. The death of Superman had not happened yet so Bruce would not understand the coming of Darksied. He mistakes it for Superman trying to rule earth. This is why at the end of the movie, Bruce explains to Diana (Wonderwoman) that he still wants to find the other Heroes, even if they’re not ready to be found. He states “has a feeling” that something else is still coming. Nice feeling Bruce, Flash screamed it at you. Everything Lex Luthor says at the end of the movie correlates with this theory as well. Lex knows all too well about Darksied. This is why he was practically crying when he was talking to Batman about it. Lex had seen the data from the universe on the Kryptonion ship’s database, and had asked the computer to teach him about it. Lex goes on and on at the end about how news of the death of Superman had already been spread further than earth. He even mentions “he’s hungry” when he is warning Batman about what’s out there. Cyborg's scene showed that Motherboxes are already on earth and are operational. The symbolism of the painting in Lex Luthor’s home about the devils coming from the sky is not completely about Superman. It’s about Darksied’s invaders and lieutenants. When Lex realized he would not be able to control Doomsday, he had lost faith that humanity has any angels from the ground to fight for them. So whenever I hear people criticizing the Knightmare sequence for seemingly being out of place, or the best one I’ve heard is it looks like an after credits scene, I agree with them. It’s like that on purpose. It’s why Flash was pointing out that he was too soon. The reason Bruce has his parallel memories collapse in on him at such a weird time is because of the Flash appearing to him at the wrong time. Flash was “too soon” and so were the memories. Fear not though Junior Justice Members, the Batman seems to be on the case by the end of the movie. Wonderwoman is right behind him which is good, because our favorite heroes are going to need all the help they can get for what’s coming.
i really hope flash's movie is a cinematic version of flashpoint flashpoint is the best comic book miniseries in years
I don't trust them with that story line. I fully expect them to fuck that up . I kinda wish they would've given the role to Grant Gustin.
Spoiler No idea about batman, but Luthor probably found out about Superman, his mom, and a bunch of other shit from the kryptonian ship.
Spoiler luthor didn't know who Batman was imo. If he did, Mercy would've stopped him when he was in the room with he servers
Spoiler I took it that Lex knew Bruce was Batman from sending the paychecks from Scoot McNairy's character back to him in an effort to turn him against Superman
Spoiler yea, when luthor was forcing superman to kill batman he said something like...it didnt take much to turn batman against you, just a few returned checks with "you let your family die"
Re: one of the ending scenes Spoiler The image of Batman in the prison visiting Luthor was frightening. Everything the aura of the Batman should be. Absolutely loved that scene
i thought he killed it. literallly everyone other than cavill was good. batman rankings, updated 1. conroy - GOAT 2. bale 3. keaton 4. affleck 5. kilmer 6. clooney
The biggest, heaviest, darkest, most operatic Nolan bat film was TDKR, and yeah, a lot of people hated it.